Robert A. Monroe - Lecture Series

know everything about this kind of stuff. Nice as well. How does that help me? And Brad's as well. There's only thing I can recommend. And I said what he says, Well, I think he ought to go to India and study under a guru and live in an ashram and, and just that's how you'll find out about this. I said, Well, Brad, mentally thinking, what about my business? What about my mortgaged house? What about my wife and children and so on? And I said, Well, what about these things? And branches? Oh, well, that's not important. This is I mentally thought, and I think he read in his very acquisitive wife who had two grand pianos in their living room. And I said, Brad, what would you do if you had encountered something like this? And he's looked very pensive. He says, Robert, it's not my problem, it's your problem. So being very stubborn, and certainly not desirous of going to spend 10 years or something of my life in India. I then did what my way of doing is a nice setup and a different kind of r&d program in my company that had been playing with this, and I never made the connection with this whole asleep learning program. We dropped that and got into finding out what this stuff was. And I picked up a research team that knew a little bit more about the whole search and fine not search and destroy, find type of stuff. And the first thing that came up was Bill called me. And he said, Bob, he says, you know, there's an underground about this stuff. And I says, what kind of underground? He says they got all sorts of names and labels for it. Now. This is 1950 59. He says one of the things that they call it is parasitology noses. That sounds pretty good, doesn't it? Parapsychology? And I said, Well, is there anybody I can talk to in that? And he says ya find the name? And he said, But you ought to know that there is this underground, and they get all weird names. And they're all locked into various types of religions. And he says there is mixed up with all kinds of people who read cards, who do palm reading and have all sorts of weird voices coming out, which is strange to have even goes into spiritualist church and they have people read out all the time, just something like what you're talking about. I said, Well, I don't know about that. So they'll call back and came up with the name of a man named JB Rhine, who at that time was the leading professional light in parasitology. I'm sure you some of you have certainly heard of him. And his great fame at that time was using a special type of card system to have subjects guest cards to see percentiles and it was all Oh matter of statistics and numbers, if they got this many right out of this many and so on. And that was his, I didn't know the time I met him. That's what he did. But that was all I knew it was. He's a JB Ryan, he was Duke University. So owning a radio station in Durham made it relatively easy to set up a date to meet him on Saturday morning. And so I conducted business on Friday night. That's a relative term. And it met him on Saturday morning, and a young graduate student working for him let me in in the door, this large empty, building, no people there and lead me out long the hall to his office now got out and here was JB Ryan, a man of about medium height of very intense blue eyes. And he was in his middle 50s, I would say at that time, he was very gracious. And now this, I had great expectations, because this was the leader of the of the scientific type of this field that I respected so much. So he asked what I needed. And I told him of my problem. And he says, That's very interesting. He says, I've heard of it. I look great. He says, but it's not my department. Bob Monroe 1:01:24 And nice as well. Can you tell me anything about he says, No, I've only heard of it. It's not my department. I play cards, I deal in cards. And I says cards having remembering the poker game. I just had that last night. And I said, What kind of cards and he told me, and he invited me to do one of his card games and guest cards. And so and I said, No, doctor, that's not my department. Not in the way that you think anyway. And I explained to him and he laughed hardly is sometimes it my phenomenal success in poker. That's another story. So as a result, I thank you very much and went out. And I felt very, very disappointed. Because this was supposedly a scientific authority. And I was wedded to the, the scientific principle. And he had no answer for me. And I still didn't want to go over to India. So as his graduate student, let me out the door. He opened the door and unlock this outer door and lay me out. And he before as I was going on, he said, Mr. Monroe, I said, why? He says, Don't worry about it. And I said, What do you mean, don't worry about it. He says, I do it too. And then he slammed the door. It was the first person that I met anywhere at that time, who admitted to the fact that they did it too, when he slammed the door. Next on the line, there were some minor ones. But the next on the line was that Bill Cosby said that he had a real live on a man who had done this literally, hundreds, if not 1000s of times. And that if I wanted to find out that he was also very careful that he wrote down all of his activities very carefully. Or he said, at least somebody did. So would I like to have him go and meet this man and talk to him. And I said, by all means, go indeed fast. So he called back about two days later, and he says, Bobby says, I made a terrible mistake. He's not alive when he's dead. That not being alive meant that he had indeed done all of these strange things that were certainly akin to it. And Bill asked me, What do I do? He says, the walls here are covered with readings, readings, readings, all over stacks and stacks of they have them catalogued by number, and that's about all. And I said, well see if you could find something and then come on back. And he came back with four or five very interesting and possibly significant, Edgar Cayce readings. And as you well know, in through the years, the Casey Foundation has become very systematized in their use of the KC material and has become very, very valuable library. But at that time, it was a style of stacks and stacks of disk papers. And so, the next one online was I had an office on Madison Avenue, that time And they'll call it again. It says, this one's easy for you. And I says what? He says, Well, there's one, only five blocks from your office in Manhattan. I says, oh, that sounds pretty convenient. He says yes. And I'll give her your name. Or give him you her name. And you can call her and make your own date. And I said, fine. So I called a woman and made an appointment with her. Her name was Eileen Garrett, have you ever heard of Eileen Garrett. And at that time, here's was a field I knew nothing about. But she was perhaps one of the world's leading psychics of the era Anna, and tremendously respected in the field. totally new and strange field to me. So to make it very short, I did go, I took and walked, think of it walk the five bucks instead of taking an airplane or whatever. And went up on West 57th Street. And sure enough, they're in after having me that for a minute went in. And there was an office that had a mnemonic called, what was it? Some type of foundation. And I went in, and there's a secretary, and the secretary says, Oh, yes, you're expected to sit down. So I sat down, and about three minutes later, the buzzer rang, and so went down. So I went in, there was Eileen Garrett, and she was a woman. At that time, I suspect, maybe in her late 50s, I would say, a very tall woman, blonde, large woman, but very, very warm and friendly. And she greeted me and sat down, and she asked me what she could do for me. And I told her, and she looks very casually says, Well, what's your problem? And I said, Well, I'm trying to find out some information about it. So that I know I can stop it. And I can start it at least to get it stopped. And she says, I said, you know, think about it. And she says, with this great, nice, casual. Oh, yes, I use it every day. This is why she says yes, I've been using it since I was five years old. I said, Well, look, this is great. Tell me about it says I said how do you use it? She says, well, for example, I use it in my office, and I just got through using it. When you were sitting out side, I got out of my body went through the wall took a good look at you to see whether I really wanted to see you or not. And I look nice. That's pretty good. I can see some ways on that one. And then the next thing that came about was that she asked me if I had any other ideas. And I said, Well, all I want to know is do you if it is a practical use, and to learn to control it? She says, Well, I there's one way that I use it every day without fail every day. Absolutely nice is hodza. How is that this looks to me for some goodness. She said, Well, just before I leave my apartment, to come to the office, the very last thing I do before opening the door to leave is I pop out of my body get behind myself to see if my slip is joy. I thought that's pretty good. There are some practical uses to this thing. And I said, Well, how do you start it? And how do you stop it? That's what he says Mr. Monroe. I just think it and it starts. And I said, Well, how do you stop? And she says, I think it and it stops. I says well, how do you think and how do you start it? And how do you stop? She says, Well, I really don't know, I've been doing it for so long. I just think I said why? I said can you tell me how that thinking is? She's never He says I've never thought about thinking about how I do it. He does, I'll let you know. And she put me in touch with the man who was in charge of her research at that time Karlis osis. And we had a number of very warm and friendly meetings. And later a year later we were putting together various constructs called Ghost traps to trap people who are in their out of body and you want to meet them. Now they story to that too. But that began a series of trying to find out things and I of course was the was the chief subject. And we slowly began to set up systems where at least when this went uncontrolled, I could begin to do something about about it and it was very, very much of a painful process. But I assure you I have to let you know this one thing they did was not until a year after this had been, I've been going through this for a full year, did I lose any fear about it a. And secondly, did I say this is unknown, it is not an unknown. In other words, it was a reality instead of an illumination, or some type of daydreaming or whatever, that it was real. And it was not any tremendous breakthrough that did that. It was a systematic accumulation of one piece of data after another, until it began to pile up and pile up until my, quote, left brain that my analytical self could not help but accept the fact of the reality of a biggest here's a mass of data, I couldn't do anything else, the moment that the fear moved away, Bob Monroe 1:10:58 I got curious. And I fly all over the landscape or all over the, the universe. But in order to make it effective, you got to bring that left brain analytical self slowly into the picture. And I assure you, I can speak from very, very strong experience, nothing will intreo in intrigue, your analytical self, so much as it begins to collect data on this is the first thing your left brain or this analytical self says, I don't believe in and the second thing it begins, see what's going on here. And then it's gone the moment it locks that and says what's going on, that means that that intellectual curiosity hooks into it, and begins to gather beautiful type of data that satisfies that party of you. That's the one way that you will progress through this. And develop is by bringing that part of you don't throw it away, use it. And think of the evolution through there. What did