Life as Wave Forms | Robert Monroe #23 -- GXCePpED-w8

[00:14:00] work quite the same way this tremendous hunger we never did understand why the hunger was created still does exist I think so too because at the Gateway programs there is it's incredible like be having been a participant and two of them I can't believe the amount of food that I personally consumed and everybody else and you do not gain weight that's what's fasc you're still so you must be you must be just utilizing an incredible amount of well that was the orig of the Gateway program incidentally and that's [00:14:30] how it started was that after that U uh the word spread and all of a sudden we had request to do another one and I think we probably did the next one out in California uh and we continued to do the mount California then a some people in Kansas heard about it we had to go do one in Kansas and U they was beginning to get something so we finally said well what do we call this thing so we called it very grandiosely the m5000 program saying that this is a good way to [00:15:00] conduct ongoing research because and we got teased about the fact that we're the only research outfit whose volunteers charg get charged for the privilege of being volunteers the only one in the world and so anyway that's how it evolved and uh we got tired of the m5000 realizing it take quite a while to reach 5,000 idea was to have 5,000 participants that we'd have a good scale and measure the results so uh somewhere along the way we got lost in computerising said this not going to [00:15:30] work and so we changed it over the name to the Gateway program uh for very obvious reasons but that pretty much is is what has been happening in the last um uh pattern I I most important thing I suppose that is generally asked and when people ask that question is this what am I doing in the out of body state after 10 years or what's happening in the out of body state well uh one of the things is [00:16:00] that uh I about again something must have happened five years ago but some five years ago I did make a decision uh I made the decision that this Consciousness this time space Consciousness that I'm using right now did not have uh enough knowledge enough experience to really handle the out of- body State As I understood it in other words what to do with it because by by 5 [00:16:30] years ago and I had gotten extremely tired of the uh experimental mode of making runs from Virginia to uh uh California for example and how many times can you do this before it gets extremely boring or more importantly uh you have uh you're using uh a medium uh in an environment that it doesn't feel like belonging in and as it were uh in the out of body state uh time space is kind of a gray area and [00:17:00] up here above you somehow is a very very beautiful glowing lights that attract you immeasurably and once you go to those glowing lights it's very very difficult uh to stay down in the and perform mundane experimentation in this great murky area such going from Virginia to San Francisco such as going Virginia to San Francisco and it sounds uh very uh mundane or uh what's the word [00:17:30] to say that it is boring but it does get boring because you're looking up and there's the fun up there and you're having to go plowing through this and I very much got to this state that uh uh I could no longer resist the right lights and I found uh going to the bright lights stretched this Consciousness so far to be able to perceive and understand it or even know what to do when I got there uh that I [00:18:00] made this decision and the decision was fundamentally this that instead of my having this time space Consciousness direct what my out of- body state will be and what I will do with it I will let my total self make this decision so about five or six years ago uh I made this decision and now when I go into the out of body State fundamentally and it's been going on for these 5 years and an [00:18:30] amazing change took place as a result I simply roll pleasantly out of the body and I say all right let's go what is the menu for today or what's the itinerary and with that uh this time space Consciousness sort of goes along for the ride or as an objective Observer and not by far the decision maker as it were and this total self uh with a sort of paternal pad on the head says well uh uh tonight's the night we do this and so we [00:19:00] go to one of these uh uh amazing from this Consciousness point of view uh far off or seemingly far off um states of being uh reality systems and perform functions that totally bewilder this particular Consciousness and this particular conscious desperately tries to understand uh these actions and these uh reasons for performing these things and which are virtually impossible to [00:19:30] bring back to this reality except for the tremendous acceleration of them the tremendous uh sense of awe about some of the things being performed and I suppose you'd like to know my interpretation of one of these things being performed uh as near as I can gather uh the it uh it is a group or is it one of a whole in other words uh [00:20:00] is this totals eye is it a a finger on a hand on a body that is performing this awesome function and as near as I can understand that awesome function is it is comparable to setting up a whole solar system or a galaxy of that type of of creative process that uh and and observing and participating in the manipulation of energies to do this and and um uh so coming home into this gray [00:20:30] space is very mundane after getting into that type of thing and as I say from my perspective I still don't know whether I'm a finger of a hand of a body of a total self that's doing this or there are a group of us because it's quite apparent there's another finger next to me that I'm coordinating with that has a a a an energy system not quite like mine that is also needed to perform this function just as your thumb performs a different function than your forefinger [00:21:00] but they are somehow connected and uh when you come back from one of those it is that's one of the types of things that is so difficult to describe and I've gotten lazy I no longer go through a system to get into the out of- body State um um it is a nightly thing but usually on a nightly thing I go through two sleep cycles wake up and this is about 3:00 in the morning or something like that thereabouts [00:21:30] depending on want to go to sleep and I wake up and my body is totally relaxed I'm rested my mind is very alert and to get out of the body at that stage is absurdly easy for me it's a little neat sort of a Detachment you sort of sink down a little bit come up and and make a roll over and you're out and it's then at that stage rolling out I'm just there I am and if I I uh after performing that function I would just sort of [00:22:00] roll or float in the air and just sort of float really in a very gentle oscillation and nothing would happen until this Consciousness says okay where do we go now and a minute and then this total self says well I thought you'd never ask and that's when it begins and uh a re-entry from that is um our coming back is uh I hope and most of the time I have protective syst systems that don't call me back like a telephone ringing or [00:22:30] a cat jumping on the bed or something like that but generally speaking uh coming back is a very general thing having performed that particular task or function during that particular segment which is it can be the equivalent of a thousand years in in in activity although it may only be 20 minutes in this time so we because it has no measurement in terms of time and uh it seems like an an eternity has taken [00:23:00] place in activity when I come back I realize that the most it could have been is a half an hour and re-entry into that is sort of a type thing where what and I look at my use of clock time say only 20 minutes and we built a few planets and few moons and and create a sun or two all in that 20 minutes and that's where it is question Bob do you always take your physical form in that sense or do [00:23:30] you use other forms to travel I uh the best description I can give you on that is that in terms uh I in terms of moving into that type of energy system operation I no longer have a physical form I'm become quite aware of it as a form uh sometimes you're a ball shaped as near as I can figure and if you need an arm you grow an arm as it were very quickly [00:24:00] or you create an arm uh if you can think of this of an energy Matrix uh your physical body is an a matrix like a a Jello mold all right and the jello is in the mold and uh take the mold and the jello gets out of the mold and it still has the shape just as this energy has the shape of human body but after that after it's been out a while and say warmed it sort of melts and it loses the the uh form of of the gel loses the [00:24:30] form of this energy the farther you get away from your physical body uh the more I perceive that it losing the and farther is not the term at all uh the more forgetful you be that you have a physical body is a better way of putting it the less that that you resume or continue to have that humanoid form uh you you don't think of seeing with and this kind of thing but it is very much [00:25:00] uh that that and I guess that is the proper tomb the more you forget about having a physical body the less you have the human form if you think about it then can you take the form of the ball or say a dolphin or oh yes yeah it's all it takes is thinking about all about that the thinking about it U uh makes it so makes it makes it so pretty much um I have always wanted to try a dolphin but I don't know I haven't I haven't been [00:25:30] lured into that yet uh although I have been playing around in the ocean stuff but I never thought to take a dolphin form and see whether a a big female dolphin came up and said hey big boy or something like this but it's it's that kind of thing that uh has been the last 10 years uh obviously the main thing in my life has been the formation of The Institute during that 10 years and uh and having completed more or less of a cycle in [00:26:00] that form and The Institute in itself is becoming far more diverse than simply uh the very um uh typical or not typical good night no uh uh single pointed uh organization conducting research it it is diverting into many many different patterns and that's what I see the next 10 years are about as regards The Institute and what [00:26:30] I do in the next 10 years well that is a good open question time to interrupt and turn your cassette over to continue on the other side results have come of your research effort in recent years well uh I hate to start with a negative [00:27:00] but I if there's one thing that we've discovered and that is that it is impossible with our present instrumentation to directly measure this life force this life Vitality this life energy that we're aware of if there is a way to do it it's it's has not surfaced uh to our knowledge and information either in our work or in related work uh EEG studies for example U uh do show certain states [00:27:30] of the individuals uh pattern of being but they don't show that Life Energy in and of itself because they are an electrical function these all EG Electro and seph studies are are measuring electricity and one of the things we do know is that this particular Life Energy uh is not electric nor is it magnetism [00:28:00] it we theorize that it may be the third member of a Triad and that is that uh and we've noticed that in man's various parts of his culture through the many years the Triangular the Triad of forces has surfaced many times and we kind of suspect without much more than one or two shreds of proof uh that this life energy is the third in a Triad of energy that electricity is here that magnetism is