Robert A. Monroe - 1983-12 INSCOM RAPT GATEWAY Talks

that, as you say in the sideway completes itself Bob Monroe 21:40 watching me over in the recording conversion process I think that much firstly, Jack Jack, what Jack is forcing you to turn around at stake and have you seriously consider is that one major thing and it then cuts across whichever side of the illusion you're involved in is that you no matter what you do what you form your actions here in this physical lifetime, you survive physical death as a existing consciousness and that survival doesn't have is not predicated on whether you are good or evil where you live and how you perform whatever has no bearing on it. You can be the strongest atheist in the world and a nail as to whatever well when you die you're still gonna survive comes with a great surprise to some people it's a 22:49 question that goes up this way if you take it from birth to death you read your sideway from left to right why not reversing it from death to birth and say what was before that before birth Bob Monroe 22:58 same thing and that's why I backed off and original USB 23:06 way back on that Bob Monroe 23:13 convert 23:15 conversion process takes place Bob Monroe 23:24 that by instruments so while we're talking about Jack is is you have gotten into this buy into this life with a albeit you would all prefer memory what that is you can argue all over the place but the existence of something 23:48 Yes, we like to deal with personal fantasy that you have that keep you from having better relationships say well you know cloud your mind learning process is one thing but what I'm getting from from some of the things you're saying it's almost transcending you know your own personal life into this other claim. I wonder if that isn't a cop out in some ways it's dealing with your own fantasies I was used the term dance a smaller scale and what you're telling me Bob Monroe 24:17 well no, I wouldn't I thought I was cop out. It's the biggest commitment Bob Monroe 24:33 think of it another way. You can see within some of these thoughts that we're dealing with not just my opinion, or my belief structure is. For example, the one that I like is that when you were born, you assume there Oh, Jane. Nancy, excuse me another Nancy has six names Bob Monroe 25:12 so you assumed the at you by agreement. So think of it this way entry process you went through a longing qualification process. And you in essence signed a contract when you eagerly waited the a suitable entry point for you and you agreed to be Nancy, in the latter quarter of the 20th century and living in the United States, you agreed to accept these illusions. First of all, you agree that that time space does exist. Second, you agree that that you would play the role of magic in the United States in a thing called Earth? You agreed to that. So therefore you came 26:22 up with a great with Bob Monroe 26:25 don't ask those hard questions. Bob Monroe 26:32 Let's say it's qualification to get through the entry point. Conflict. Within that process you read in so knowing and so the much as the actress going out on stage and off stage, you said, I'm going to play the role in this. 27:01 One, getting it like touching that you can get to the level you're talking about. 27:07 Your question whether you could, 27:09 yeah, I think you have to assume some kind of identity at some point and work through your, you know, work through your own identity and your relationships and your own whatever, until you can get to a point that you're, Bob Monroe 27:19 they're all a part of, you're already into that come out stage and go on stage, you assume that role. You perform it. And there are certain conditions on what type of character personality songs you've agreed. You go off stage, quote, what is offstage the end of the first day? What is obviously 27:50 I agree with you are on stage Bob Monroe 27:52 right now. You are on stage right now. Tonight, when you go to sleep, you draw stage. 28:03 What's going on stage I mean greetings or subconsciously now as you can in your waking hours. Bob Monroe 28:14 Take it from another perspective. You see, that may well be one of the illusions that what you've been talking consider that you have made a you have made a statement that dreams are a reflex that take another position. Take the concept that you dropped the role of Mensa and are your original self when you go off stage and sleep. You quote, lose consciousness you fall asleep. Clozaril you havin trouble? And I don't have to agree. 28:52 I mean, I see that see dichotomize I don't see my waking self here unless there's some like Bob Monroe 28:57 a difference. Oh, no. Your quote waking self is nothing more than 29:05 a replica of your scope sleep itself. You as you or as Nancy are no more than the the, as you call it, the sleep himself. What the super ego, but maybe doesn't make any difference. But you, in turn, are acting out this role. The illusion is Nancy. 29:28 Rehearse that the illusion Bob Monroe 29:33 could well be that's what you find out. That's what these tools are for. Not to make me the profound authority but to make you profound if you don't agree with it, go find out. I don't say that this is dynamically so all I'm trying to do is to get you to the state where you will bend the bar So little 30:02 that's all, I have trouble following what you're actually saying. I mean, I mean, like to say when sexuality is an illusion, that doesn't make sense. I don't know what you mean by that. 30:13 I mean, it's Bob Monroe 30:17 a local process 30:22 with a local process, I mean, it's part of your home. Bob Monroe 30:27 It is, it is. It is a local practice. It is a local practice, practice. As you play the role of Nancy, yes. 30:44 The overall scheme of things, Bob Monroe 30:48 you're going to have some fun 30:56 are you saying that we get 30:57 put in the box by acceptance of playing the role of sound, and all the illusions that Bob Monroe 31:08 might play the role by playing the role and acceptance, you get encapsulated in the box and the parameters. All the value judgments made as a result, put you in that box, 31:25 which you get for yourself unless you give a little interconvert at the end of the line one Bob Monroe 31:29 way or controls the whole. In every industry, you have to be leaning against yourself. Here's what's outside the box. Of course, you're like us. 31:48 You've seen that Nancy agreed to become Nancy is a condition Bob Monroe 31:51 of birth as a condition. That's that's the that's the biggest problem is that you agreed to this and the agreement is so great. That you return can't get beyond it. you forgotten who you are. 32:10 So when you say sexuality, it's a little thing. You don't mean that it's just a small part of your life. Oh, it's just a condition of of being birth, being accepting birth and coming into this Bob Monroe 32:21 condition of being. 32:22 So it's not necessarily thinking, you're saying it's a small part of life Bob Monroe 32:28 now? Oh, no, it can be a very major part of one's life because it's because of the fact that we have separated humans into males and females. I know one very interesting theory that that males and females represent two different species entering into a time space to learn how to get along with each other. Bob Monroe 32:59 That's what that's that's the big problem when that box security box Yes. Resist being pushed. Or my job is to try and make you seriously, then a little bit 33:18 about energy forms. human energy. What happens, for example of a primate, besides a human also as an energy form and reaches what you might consider a conversion point? What does this mean death? What happened? primates? What could happen? Is that energy for breaches birds, I guess what I'm trying to come to is we all come to the end of our days, wherever they may be. And let's say the diversion takes place, we go back to the beginning of the sideway. Why not? If we make an acceptance the next time may not as you point out, because that could be heads, it could be something, something entirely different things on earth. It's quite a little spooky from here except 21st or 22nd of January. Bob Monroe 34:04 I know it gets kind of hard, but 34:11 I did hear that. It'd be nice to your end. Bob Monroe 34:15 There are a lot of things we'll get into relative to that. Normally, this concept of human structure are laid downstream, that you'll be able to perceive the world better. And the what I thought I would try it early on this group just to stir the pot as I say. 34:38 Suppose you suppose you come all the way again, you may not come back to what you may consider this particular time and space also. You could just get by humanity as you know, something else. Bob Monroe 34:50 We will get into that and then we'll fix that we're not part of this structure. 34:56 If you go below the line as possible, try to delve into the options Bob Monroe 34:59 of course too much. So this guy below the line is what you're beginning to do. And this is one of the problems is going below the line, and beginning to perceive or take this consciousness that we value some greatly and take it in this below the line operation is in turn, first of all, the consciousness is welfare doing so the moment it does. So, it begins to get into areas of perception that it is never even considered valid before. And the first one is in that scene, and I'm very fond of you only when I get these, I have you perfect happiness that when you say I refuse to believe that that's great. I 35:55 agree with some of the points, if you could, Bob Monroe 35:57 that's great. I don't pretend to be an Oracle. And I may be 102%. And again, these tools, what you're learning, and a tool is focused in and another one is focused on our to help you reach in and find out. Which you have to, again, ultimately take the perspective that that might just be or not, I don't I don't insist to do so you must consider 36:32 any type of numbers a little bit, this is a good time as any focus three to 10 to 12. What happened at all the ones in between those artists. That went to this, but how you attended say, spot inside automatically became 12. And this is Bob Monroe 36:51 very specifically to establish nomenclature that didn't have any particular subjective connotation. Now you say well, 10 dozen others it may well be, but those were the least. Another was no Lucky seven numbers are lucky 1329 has different types of connotations to people straight. So we just put a simple label, while we don't want that interpretation, so 10 is 10 is 10 and 12. And then people say, Well, when I was a 12 year old, can't win. Anyway, this process that I'm talking about is a box bending process. You have to enter into it freely. This material that I have presented to you, is highly controversial. I don't mean pretend that is valid, but has at least the base of making you say that you refuse to believe. And that's fine. That's what that I don't I pick on the fact that she has happily come up to them. And that's fine. That's what I want. You say I refuse to. And you don't have to believe this. But then the very thing that I urging you to do is go pro below this line and come up with at least what you see as true. And it may be exactly where you are enough. None was considered that what I say is invalid, consider what you say is invalid, or believe or have what your boss says is valid. Take another fine. And that is the most fascinating part of all this, this exploration of yourself for the purpose of increasing your abilities not to tune in and drop out, or to tune in and be much more the loss of an illusion. And that's where we got around to this whole cycle. Gives you the damnedest freedom you ever saw because once you ever discarded that illusion, it isn't a vacuum you can go replay and be in that illusion but you know it's an illusion. So therefore, you have a beautiful