Robert A. Monroe - 1983-12 INSCOM RAPT GATEWAY Talks

Robert A. Monroe Saturday Night INSCOM RAPT GATEWAY Talk 1984-01 (Transcript) NOTE: This is a raw transcript – it is exactly as created by otter.ai. Bob Monroe 00:04 packages of information are not at the conscious level. 00:13 You begin with a state of Bob Monroe 00:16 the innocence. State means that as you grow, and as you exist, and as you perform, you begin to lose this state of innocence, that encourage, all of you and I are in a graph. On this stage, we're somewhere along this pattern. This is what's so important about it, it is a classic illustration of a familiar law called cause and effect. If, as a little child, you learned to lose innocence, and you burn your fingers on the stove, you have lost innocence, as regards burning fingers on the stove, at that particular moment, you no longer is someone else's responsibility to vet you from burning your fingers on your soul, on the stove, it is your responsibility. So you have also picked up the authority. Classic thing again, of authority responsibility cause and effect. You learn these as you go along. Basic premise is that you cannot survive if you continually work with effects, you cannot survive, do not continue to continually tie cause with authority and responsibility. Therefore, typically, in this impossible goal of adulthood, versus at birth, goes like this, in the very early stages, reaches out and levels off to another plateau. And then gradually goes Ohio. This is probably the eight year age, this is probably 22 years, the vast majority of humans state virtually level in a state of innocence. This means in essence, the vast majority and mountainous majority of humans are at this level, where they their absorption of their own authority responsibility package is more or less now that that growth begins to stabilize or not in the 22nd year reaching for a possible goal of 100% application of authority and responsibility in their own lives. And you could play with percentages all over your whole life. 100% figure represents again an ideal that seems virtually unreachable. That's part of the learning package, the learning living package. So your measurement of what how the degree of that adult is quite simple in a way. Very simple standards that you can do to apply this authority will vary. But that's part of the living learning. The next one over here as a goal is something entirely different is mature. Adulthood is not synonymous with I'm sure in this group you are Bob Monroe 04:16 graph and maturity is remarkably similar to this. If you want to take it is the pattern here is pretty much the same lifts in here. levels off it's remarkable maturity. So what what is that nature and here comes the box. That means is gauged along that route of growth as to the number of illusions that you have released is not countable to count the ones that have been knocked out, or that you have lost through any without any effort or acceptance on your part. But no, this measurement here stages along the ones that you deliberately release that you recognize to be illusions, and therefore release. Maturity is pretty tough stuff. Because that whole in heredity, especially as developed, here begins to divorce, the innocence package begins to create illusions of the cause effect for the cause effect is not the same, because it's reapplied. The appropriate illustration, do this and you get food do this, and you get food to the cause and effect mode. So this is a great survival drive motivation, gather stuff. But the person who amasses for that purpose, let's say, millions upon millions of dollars in the bank, to protect and be able to get enough food. He's certainly in some form of super overkill. I said if he doesn't for that purpose, maturity, illusions. The whole process also avoid call environmental, to read what your mother taught you, on her knee are swatted against your process, that holding culturation costs, environmental remedy forms the box great majority of the box encapsulates you capsulate is formed by that illusion. Now we get to where you are. You're already somewhere along. It's this, left alone will say pretty much in that. But we're in what you are working with are learning the tools to perceive those illusions so that instead of this general plateau line, somewhere here and you're probably down here somewhere already allow an exponential curve to take place. In your illusion release process. When that takes place, then if you think of this as a path, and this is a road there's a highway down here that leads over to a goal again possible. This is not quite interstate, but at least a good sized highway that leads over here to wisdom. Major metal on the scale of where you bought your wisdom is probably somewhere around like that. Too much. Wisdom very hard to gather slowly grasp based on experience wisdom is measured by your performance, your thought action 09:07 as a result Bob Monroe 09:09 of the release of such illusion. In other words, how bad do you feel the backing? So if you think that this wisdom curve in response to this will move up like that. But in any event, that's a part of that. You're actually 123 But the main interaction is that road wisdom. The composite package or the graph of all three of these lead to a very indefinable thing. In the final stages of growth and the purpose for such Bob Monroe 10:17 marks 10:23 are you getting totally bored? 10:35 Or you put yourself Bob Monroe 10:44 out here all right. So why bother? Because hidden in that growth line is a thing called performance is a status within oneself that lets one not turn on tune in and drop out. But increases your ability to form within that green light. That's what it's all about. Is performance Control. Control. Bob Monroe 11:37 What do you do with? That's on the wisdom line? What do you do? Last? For example? It's so critical Bob Monroe 11:57 what? Let's see what you think is the most critical, the most ultimate illusion that you can really well. Bob Monroe 12:14 You can't say the same what are of course? What is the ultimate illusion? 12:29 What comes next? Bob Monroe 12:30 All right, let's take it less best take? That's the most difficult question. And one of the questions that I want you to take with you through this training series. What is the ultimate illusion for you? But what is a personal illusion that you can see would be most difficult for you to drop to release? And let go of what would it be? The most difficult illusion that you can think of for you to release. That's very generic. I mean, that's a real broad, say fear of flying time. Strangely enough, that's the one you're going to find it's pretty easy to do. The time illusion is when you have already started to work with it is difficult. But once you get that different overview, and that's what you're really working is an overview. Yes, very much. There's no pass fail in this I hope in this project, there is no Pass Fail. That you can free yourself from that illusion certainly here. There is no such thing as failure. All right. 13:50 One of the probably one of the 13:54 answers that what I believe to be true is an illusion. 13:59 Because you're asking me what illusion we're willing to give up. I'm not willing to admit that I'm living in the illusion Bob Monroe 14:04 that that's so absolutely valid. That's one of our problems. We do live illusions that we or we don't recognize to be illusions. Let me take it a step further. Some of our most basic knowledge is may well be illusions as we construe them, which is the hardest thing to do is and you say, but if you feel yourself that organize that you don't have any illusions, because you've thought about already, what are illusions, and you may well have thrown a lot of them. But one of the things I hope that you'll discover in this process during this period, if Are any more you will, are the ones that you thought were so valid you will discover? And that's the interesting part. 15:09 What are your criteria Bob Monroe 15:12 describing there has no basis in a and a total reality. In other words, that is, is an illusion from the point of view? Not, I think brands can explain better by giving you a hook to work with. Every virtually everything from one perspective, virtually everything that we think about do before hole as in violence is an insert local series of illusions. Bob Monroe 16:09 The man mathematics, for example, which is a hard one to dump this one up, may well be an illusion Bob Monroe 16:25 it is it is a shadow, we consider that a reality. And this is very hard to fit in, by all means, wait a minute, let me be sure. What I say don't believe because you're getting the tools to find out yourself? Well, I think I know what you're talking about, called the causal effects may be an illusion, you may well be nothing. 16:49 And you think it resulted? Because what you did probably practical person did you know that could indeed be an illusion? Yes, indeed. It seems to me that you need to go a little further to be able to recognize these things. So we can operate Bob Monroe 17:03 this and this is this is the reason why I make generalities. And you're asking me, What do I define as as an illusion? An illusion is anything that will not stand up under scrutiny from very various perspectives. And the most critical perspective from this area is anything that will not remain in a reality. Based on an overview that is not included in Timespace. The best way to describe it 17:47 seems to me that what you're asking us is, what do we now currently holds true? That was the hardest to admit, that would be the hardest event is really the illusion and then where we'd be willing to give it up? Yes. If you asked that. I would answer questions I would answer that. Existence God, meaning of life, 18:06 those are the most difficult, as you said in your book. 18:14 Because you have to be the most difficult to accept. But right now I don't call them illusions. I have no problem saying that would be the hardest truth for me was Bob Monroe 18:34 the flip side of illusion of course. perspective I think there are very many common illustrations of perception and undistorted perception with the least amount of noise in the brain and the signals that were little simple things or white clouds are not quite at all. 19:08 So when the sun hits Bob Monroe 19:11 if you fly on the downside from the same day, Greg was always beautiful white clouds their white pony from perspective receiver consequently combined with the same the distortion that is less than by astronomy, in space 19:37 is significant. Bob Monroe 19:40 The overview of a police helicopter on a traffic snarl is entirely different than the guy involved in it. So one of them is illusion engendered by global trends, and it's becomes increasingly difficult as you move downstream probing and selecting certain things to determine as an illusion might as well throw the big one up and let it sail around us he wants to kick apart that Yeah and he's a very much a local customer the local traffic and that is polarity sexuality is a local customer and in and of itself is strictly as I say a local customer and has no generic place within another system or most other systems reality it's a local anachronism bipolarism living organism doesn't say it's bad it just says that that's that is existent only in this time space perfect in this particular segment of time space don't believe me? Go find out for yourself everybody's quiet around this as you call this number, your first statement of course because we're trying to use terminology that the average individual at least know what I'm referring to 21:28 what would you call it? Conversion the conversion so these this statement of what is next after