Remembering Robert Monroe and Journeys Out of the Body with Tom Campbell, author of My Big TOE -- IFiEobvvA7A

[01:56:30] just starting to build itself up and creating regular time and all this. You kind of do the mechanics of it, but then you get it to the point where it splits off into lots of people becomes a social system. Lowering entropy has means love. Lowering entropy means being kindness and caring and sharing and cooperation because you got a social system and that works better than the opposite. So, you know, I wanted to say, well, you start with this, but then you end up with that. So, that's where the auo and the aum come from. And aum was just me being [01:57:00] the absolute unbounded manifold, right? The manifold is a whole lot of different stuff. And then the oneness that brings it all together. And uh yes, so those were the my words. And then later because it was so hard for people to to remember those, I had a little thing in one of my aides. It said, "If you're having trouble remembering these things, don't worry, just call it Ralph or something." You know, they're just names. And u I started calling it the [01:57:30] larger consciousness system instead of um because that was just easier because the the definition is in the words rather than okay that's clever because of the but it's harder to remember and associate with anything. So I stopped using in talks and started talking about the larger consciousness system. Well we will be exploring the larger consciousness system in in great depth. I know some people think, well, that's just your term for God, but I know that [01:58:00] it's not quite the same. No, it's similar, though. You know, I was surprised. I thought, you know, the the religious people are not going to like this. You know, I think they're because they have their dogma and they have their their way of seeing the world and they're they're not really going to like this. But I found out that mostly the contrary was true. I had any number of people who would write to me or or or talk to me and say, well, I had one lady in particular, she was a a nurse, and [01:58:30] she said, "I'm a very religious person. I take pride in that. And everywhere I go, I take two books, the Bible and My Big toe." And I thought, "That's wonderful. Yeah, I really appreciate you telling me that, but why? I thought people who were very religious wouldn't like this. And they said, "No." They said, "I got over the dogma and all that stuff a long time ago." Says, "That's not what religion is about. Religion isn't a social club, you know. It's not [01:59:00] about the the fish fry, you know. It's not about that at all." You know, it's so they separated spirituality from religion in their own minds. They were very committed to spirituality and they did it within a religion. But when they got my big toe, suddenly they found the logical side of it. And it wasn't an illogical kind of thing that just required belief. It was actually science. This was a real thing that you [01:59:30] could, you know, you could name, you could understand, you know, where did God come from? Well, it evolved from that little piece of stuff that was just a, you know, one or a zero. It evolved and became this large system with lots of parts. And we're the parts and we need experience. So it creates a virtual reality and part of it configured as a computer and you know they gets all of this and then suddenly like oh I get it I understand it and one interesting thing that I I guess will will be a good ending is I was in a church because [02:00:00] that's a very inexpensive venue. So I was giving a talk on MBT and I found this church. And so I was in this basement of this big auditorium of this church and I had both the the head pastor and and his assistant pastor and I put him on the spot and I said, "You two both have degrees in theology, right?" And they said, "Yes." I said, "You both have doctors of phil of theology." And they said, "Yes." And [02:00:30] I said, "All right. I would like you two to get together and come up with a list of the attributes of God. And I'm not looking for denominational stuff or, you know, I'm looking for just the attributes of God. If you were describing God, somebody says, "Well, what is God?" What would you describe as its attributes? And they did that. And they came back about five 10 minutes later with a list of maybe five or six [02:01:00] things. And I took them one at a time. And I was delighted to find out that every one of them was an attribute of the larger consciousness system. They all had the exact same attributes because they didn't say things like it's perfect. They said something like it's love. You know, they didn't they they were very careful in what they were saying. I guess they were very smart people. And uh so they all matched up. [02:01:30] very completely and they were surprised and I was a little surprised too because I thought they'd have I thought I'd match up with a lot of them but I didn't think I'd match up with all of them but it all matched up and that's what like this nurse and dozens of other people have found spirituality within religion and then this puts it on the intellectual map so that if you're a nurse you deal with a lot of facts things to do, things not to do, things [02:02:00] to say, things not to say. How do you operate this machine and that test machine? And they tend to be a little more leftrain, you know, technology oriented people. And they have this conflict between belief and and science, science, logical, that's good. This is something else. And now they find out, well, the two go together. It's not only it's not only good as far as uh you know spirituality goes, but it's also [02:02:30] logical. And that then has been a biggest surprise for me. I've not run into any issues at all. Well, I assume you're dealing with the more liberal religious people, not the fundamentalists. Well, the fundamentalist would never go to my website to begin with, so it takes care of itself. No, if I had that among fundamentalists, it would not work. Mhm. But uh among the people who are interested in the nature of reality, so you have to be kind of an egghehead [02:03:00] to be interested in the nature of reality. And if you are, you're probably a little more logical and a little But what I the way I crafted my book was as an on-ramp for the leftrainers. The right brainers have hundreds of books that they can read about, you know, seeing the world intuitively and so on. There's lots of lots of books and most of the books are all what I'd call poetry. You know, they're not technical books. [02:03:30] They're poetry books and you have to read between the lines. You have to understand what's what's being meant here. You know, it's that's what poetry is. But the the leftrainers, the logical process people, they don't have an on ramp. They get into and they pick up the hag of a Gita and they say, "Okay, there's this guy in a chariot." And you know, they get about 10 pages in and they say, "I can't deal with this. It doesn't make any sense." Because they don't know how to interpret it. They don't have the the spiritual [02:04:00] understanding to see that the are metaphors and and get the metaphors. So they can't read that poetry. Logical types don't do poetry. They do facts. They do logical processes. So I wanted my book to be a logical process that the leftrainers had an on-ramp for the leftrainers onto spirituality and the bigger picture and love that they would have a ramp that they could go that was [02:04:30] logic logic logic logic. And here here we are and get there. And so that's what kind of makes my book unique in the field is that it's meant for logical leftbrain people and and we will go through it step by step. Yeah. Good. I'm I'm sorry if I got it out a little in front in places where you wanted to go, but hopefully we covered everything about the Monroe. Uh I I think we've given our viewers a good taste. It was amazing experience hanging out with Bob [02:05:00] that much time. I mean people were given the right arm to you know spend 20 hours a week with Bob Monroe but he was a wonderful guy. He was a real individual like we were saying in the car you know he did he did all the things that a guru is not supposed to do. He smoked he ate junk food. He was overweight. He did all those things but he was very positive. He was caring. He was a wonderful man and he was very [02:05:30] interested and it was kind of his thing to do in this life to start the process of turning the paranormal into the normal. And I think it was very selfless. He basically started that institute and endowed it so that it could continue after his death and it's been going for decades. And he was very courageous because in the time he published those books talking about out of body and you know hearing voices and seeing things [02:06:00] was not what a smart executive would be publishing. Very. So he took he had courage to to publish that and not call his name you know Ralph Smith or something. He called his name Bob Monroe and he wrote the books and he stood up and took, you know, the the blame or the or the the cheers for it as they came. And at that time that he published that first book, he should expect he I'm sure did expect a whole lot more jeers than [02:06:30] accolades because it was very counter to the culture that he was in. Yet he stood up and did it anyway. And I think he realized he needed to do that if he was going to start this process of legitimizing, you know, the paranormal, the things he had experienced, making them legitimate science. And he didn't know how to do it, but he knew he was the start. And he had quite a lot of influence. To my understanding, many government officials showed up at the Monroe Institute to take his courses. [02:07:00] People from the military, people from the CIA, right? He added credibility to the whole thing. Mhm. Yeah. He was he did a a wonderful job. He served his purpose very well. Yeah. And and he was certainly a very important player in in getting you set on the path that you've been on for so many years. Yeah. I I kind of had an an idea of what it was I was going to do, but I didn't have a clue how to go about it. But after I had spent those years with Bob, I I got [02:07:30] oriented and focused and it made all the difference in the world. Yeah. I wouldn't have been I wouldn't have done what I did if it hadn't been for those years with Bob. Well, Tom, thank you so much for enlightening me and our viewers about this important period in your life. Thank you for having me. And for those of you watching or listening, thank you for being with us because you are the reason that we are here. [02:08:00] Absolutely. The future lies with many people, not just with us. Yeah. And others like us [02:08:30] Book three in the new thinking aloud dialogue series is UFOs and UAP. Are we really alone? Now available on Amazon. New Thinking Aloud is presented by the California Institute for Human Science, a fully accredited university offering distant learning graduate degrees that focus on mind, body, and spirit, the topics that we cover here. We are particularly excited to announce new degrees emphasizing parasychology and [02:09:00] the paranormal. Visit their website at cihs.edu. 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