Remembering Robert Monroe and Journeys Out of the Body with Tom Campbell, author of My Big TOE -- IFiEobvvA7A

[01:30:30] and basically happy and content and very productive and it'll be that kinder a low entropy culture. A low entropy culture. So we're making that turn now and what we're seeing out in the world right now. Everybody thinks we're we're regressing and we are slightly because you know like any curve it doesn't just it's not monotonic. has it ups and downs, but the trend's been up. Mhm. So, right now, I think [01:31:00] we're seeing those forces of negativity and the forces of chaos making a last great harrah. You know how it is when an animal gets cornered just before it loses. It puffs up and growls and makes a ferocious a ferocious last ditch effort to scare the its nemesis away. And I think that's what we're seeing now. We're seeing this last gasping harrah of the negativity trying to prevent this this curve from going up [01:31:30] and it's going to fail of course because the good news is that evolution is relentless. It may be slow but it's relentless and one day we will be in that kind evolution can be very patient. Yes. Now I assume these ideas I'm pretty sure the idea of relating entropy to human evolution and and also equating the reduction of entropy with the idea [01:32:00] of love and in particular unconditional love. These are your unique ideas. They they didn't come from Bob Monroe. No no no no they didn't come from Bob Monroe. Uh Bob Monroe was a good reporter. He reported things the best he could. Like any reporter and like anybody actually what happens is you get information. You get a data stream but you have to interpret that data stream. Your reality isn't the data stream. Your reality is your [01:32:30] interpretation of the data stream. That's what you get. Now the interpretation depends on your background, depends on what you know, what you've learned so far. So for instance, here's one major one that Bob missed and that is that and he when he had this experience he talked to me right after because he was kind of disturbed by it and that was the idea of luch you know the that we are you know [01:33:00] we're being farmed by you know our our masters for luch you know and we're just like cows you know in at the bottom end of the loose factory assembly on we make loose others consume loose but what what happened was he was getting he asked the question about the big picture of reality what is really the big picture and what they were telling him was that the big picture is that we're here to evolve to [01:33:30] grow up to become love and they were telling him this and that as we did this as we evolved D the system evolves and the system grows and we're a part of that whole system. So they're in the process of telling them that Bob came his his parents I think were farmers. He came from Ohio I believe in or in a farm [01:34:00] community. And Bob got that that description I just told you. And he got it as here we are trying to grow up at this with this higher thing is taking what we do for its own benefit. Uhhuh. You use the word louch. Louch. I'm not familiar with it. Oh yes. It's a thing that Bob did and and what he said is that we are now producers of luch. Luch was probably a very bad rendition of [01:34:30] love. M and we're supposed to make this luch and then it this this higher power than us consumes this luch for its own benefit. Yeah. So he saw it in terms of a farmer. Mhm. We're the we're the cows. We make loose from our emotional connections and things which is if our emotions and feelings are positive, right? We move more toward love. And if they're negative, we move away from it. So we're making this loose this love and [01:35:00] this larger being is is growing from that. Mhm. So he saw that in terms of a farmer's viewpoint, the loose makers and the consumers and we were the loose we were the but we were the cows and we make loose and these overlords of ours are so it's dualistic thinking. Yeah. So that was his interpretation. When he had it he was shaken by it. It's paranoid. Yeah. He was shaken by it and he said, "I just had this experience and I asked [01:35:30] for the big picture." He had me aside. I was just sitting there with him. I was down at his house and he told me about it. He says, "We are like farm animals and we produce this stuff was called luch." And I said, "Louch? What's that?" And he says, "That's what they called it. They call it luch." I said, "And then there's these higher, more advanced beings that consume luch." Mhm. and they just have us around in order to make the loose for their consumption. So we're [01:36:00] farm animals and of course what he was saying is that yes they have us here making choices so that we'll make good choices for love and in that doing so we will evolve and the whole system will evolve with it. But he missed that. So what happened is he wrote that in his book. I think it was the second book, you know, he the journeys out of the bunny um far journeys ultimate journey. I think it was in his second book and a whole lot [01:36:30] of people took that the way he did which was negative. We have overlords that are using this like farm animals and this fear thing got in about the the the non-physical. It's an idea that's been around for a long time. You you find it innosticism. Yeah. So anyway, so it was this this whole thing instead of being about love and and evolution became about fear and [01:37:00] being used by our overlords to produce the stuff that they wanted and we're like their cattle. So a lot of negativity got born out of that mistake. But you see, if you were a farmer and you had to interpret what they were trying to tell you and you didn't really understand entropy, you know, because they didn't talk in terms they had to talk in terms of things that he understood. So they talk in terms of producers and consumers and stuff and he misinterpreted it. So and at that point [01:37:30] had your ideas evolved enough were No, not at that point. No, I didn't have any of those ideas. I was just, you know, 20, 27, 28 year old, you know, and he told me and he was very shaken by this idea because of the way he framed it in his own mind. And he told me and he said, "Well, what do you think?" And I said, "Eh, if it's that way, there's nothing we can do about it. [01:38:00] It's way above our pay grade, isn't it? So why worry about it? It's okay with me. If that's the way the world is, then that's our that's our place. That's our point. And we don't have anything to do but live it and try to be the best we can, right? To grow and so on. So that's what I told him. And he was amazed. He thought that I should be upset like he was that it was a very upsetting idea that we were farm animals being farmed by some higher power. And I wasn't upset by it. I didn't have any [01:38:30] other answers for it. And Bob was a good, you know, he was good about saying getting what he heard, but I just took it and said, "Well, if that's the way it is, then that's the way it is." Getting upset about it ain't going to make it any better. So just eh and after that uh his his attitude toward me changed a little bit. He was he was amazed at the way I took it and uh I just didn't see any point in getting upset about something that you couldn't change. So that was but that [01:39:00] now has triggered lots and lots of negative stuff out in the in the the consciousness world and the afterlife world and all the rest of it just created all kinds of negativity and fear and other things and it's in I just brought that up as a as a as a way of explaining that reality is what you interpret it to be. It's your interpretation. Mhm. That's why you should always stay skeptical of [01:39:30] everything you get. You need to be skeptical because you don't really know the big picture. You don't know why you got that exactly or what your lesson is in it. Best to just make as much positiveness as you can out of it and let it go rather than trying to put that in a pigeon hole someplace and say, "Ah, this is what this is and this is what that is." So you have to take these experiences, use your own free will to assess them, take what you can that's [01:40:00] positive from it and let the rest go. That's kind of the right attitude. But you see, communications are very difficult. So here's a data stream. I interpret it and that's my reality. You get a very similar data stream, but you interpret it differently. That's your reality. So, you got 9 billion people all living in their own reality here together. But like any uh multipleplayer virtual reality game, there's certain things that we all see [01:40:30] and we all share and somebody else does this, we get a picture of that and we're connected to it. So, there's that. But everybody actually lives in our own reality. And you talk to people that are in your own culture, your reality and their reality seem like it's the same. I mean, you believe that's reality all over. But you take two people from very different cultures and they don't share much reality at all. They don't see eye to eye. They don't understand where the other's coming from or why, you know, [01:41:00] you take a guy out of the Amazon jungle and he sees a table as firewood. But even here in America, we are now talking about silos, people living in different silos, even if they're in the same neighborhood. Mhm. Yes. So we have no end of challenges and choices that we make and we can make those choices out of love and caring and being positive or we can make them out of fear. And the things we build when we [01:41:30] make choices out of fear won't last. They'll self-destruct and eventually the good guys always win. Well, at some point you I don't know if you broke away or drifted away, but you you were with Bob Monroe, as I recall, for about six years. At some point you your life took a different turn. Yeah. What happened is um I changed locations. My job went from Charlottesville down to Huntsville and I [01:42:00] moved. I was still a part of it. I still came back for u for some events every once in a while. Um, but it wasn't an everyday, you know, 15 to 20 hours a day. It wasn't that anymore. And that started right as Bob got real successful with attracting people to to listen to his his technology. And Dennis and I became trainers more than [01:42:30] experimenters. Lincy Lee and Dennis and I. So we were going here and flying there and laying out our our thing and people with headphones and we'd explain to them what was going on and why and how and we did that for a while but that's not what Dennis and I really wanted to do. We wanted to understand we were into the theory of why does it happening and what does it mean and you know what's my place in all of this and that kind of thing. Being trainers wasn't us. So both of us kind of bowed out and said we need to we'll train some people but we're not going to just fly [01:43:00] around and give courses. that's not what we do. So at that time we kind of backed out and then within two or three years I moved you know to someplace else. So I stayed connected and I came back and gave a talk one time to the people but mostly we differed and I went on my way and that was part of my 35 years of trying to figure out how everything worked. You know I was part of that. So I was coming to different conclusions and I was seeing things differently because when you do that kind of science [01:43:30] within consciousness you do start to see what the variables are and how the variables affects thing and you start to understand the logic of the situation. You know just basic things like uh you know why can I remote view and get 100% of the targets today and only 60% of the targets the next day. what changed? What's the difference? So then you have to do that similar remote viewing under