Remembering Robert Monroe and Journeys Out of the Body with Tom Campbell, author of My Big TOE -- IFiEobvvA7A

[01:17:30] you bring that technology to them? You can't. They don't have any of the concepts. They don't have any of the I mean even even the guy lives next door doesn't have a concept of how the television works. They don't know what the piece parts do. They don't know what all those little chips are for and how the colors get there is all magic. So, you have to understand, you have to be at a level of understanding where you're almost ready to create it yourself before you can understand what's going on to learn from that stuff. So, it's [01:18:00] not a it's really not a good mind, you know, not not a good situation to mine there to try to get things like that because all you can do is help somebody take that last step. But you if there's if there's like five steps to take, it doesn't it doesn't compute. Well, during the course of our conversation so far, you have talked about what the larger consciousness system desires from us. Yeah. And I get the impression that your [01:18:30] ability to be able to speak about it means that you are in alignment with it. Oh, absolutely. Mhm. It's, you know, the purpose here and the purpose in creating this virtual reality is so that pieces of consciousness like you and I can have experiences and those experiences require us to make choices. by the quality of the choice we make. Do [01:19:00] we make a choice out of self-centerness, out of greed, out of whatever? Or do we make that choice because it's being helpful, it's useful, it be helpful to other people. In other words, are we self-centered, it's all about us, or are we other centered, which is love? Is it about love? So, we're here to make these ethical, meaningful choices. And this virtual reality gives us lots of opportunities to be greedy or to be helpful or whatever. And as we make these choices, we evolve the quality of [01:19:30] our consciousness if we make good choices toward the side of love and caring and consideration and compassion and all those things. And we evolve if we make choices toward greed and self-centerness and you know, it's all about me. I want more for me. So that's why we're here. So the whole point is for the consciousness system to evolve. To evolve means to move and become more of making choices toward being love. So [01:20:00] we have a purpose here and that's to make choices and to learn from those choices. And it doesn't matter really where you are in that thing. You know where you are in your evolution is kind of irrelevant. Wherever you are, you're at a level where choices are at your level to make and you either evolve or dee evolve by the quality of your choices. And the system wants us to evolve because as we evolve, it evolves. [01:20:30] It has it does evolution on its own as well, but we're part of its thing. So consciousness is a system, an aware conscious system. It's an information system. It's all about information. It's an information system and it wants to evolve by making better choices by lowering its entropy. That's if you look at the physics side of it, all that boils down to entropy by lowering its entropy. So we have a purpose. [01:21:00] Let's stop for a moment and talk about entropy. I Okay, some of our viewers may not know why would you want to lower your entropy? What is entropy anyway? Yeah, entropy is a measure of disorder. That's one way of looking at it. So if you have a lot of disorder, disorder into chaos even, that's high entropy. There's lots of entropy and disorder. As you order that disorder, as you clean up your teenager's room and you pick up the [01:21:30] dirty socks and underwear and you put them in the hamper and you you put restore order to the room, then you're lowering the entropy of that system, the child's room. Mhm. So that's lowering attributes creates order. Now consciousness when it creates this virtual reality and it's the there are pieces of conscious like you and I and everybody else who are playing avatars making choices for those avatars. Okay. Now you've got a social system. It's not [01:22:00] just an individual anymore. It's a lot of people working together and interacting with each other. That's where all the ethical choices come from is that interaction of working together. Now if you have a social system where people have to work together, you lower the entropy of that social system by being cooperative, by being caring, by being thoughtful, okay? By being considerate. All of those things lower the entropy. In other words, the people interacting [01:22:30] with each other can produce more, be more if they cooperate, if they care, if they help each other. The opposite side of love is fear. On the fear side, you have a group of people and fear is dominant. Then there's no trust because fear you fear that somebody if you give them information, they'll use it against you or they'll take something away from you. There's very little trust and you don't share. If you got a good idea, [01:23:00] you keep it to yourself because you're going to make something with it. You're going to get you're going to benefit from it. Sharing it would like ruin it. Everybody get it and use it and then you couldn't benefit from it. It's like you wouldn't get the patent, you know? You you'd share it with other people. So, you don't share. You keep things. You don't trust. And what happens there is that two or three people get together so they can take things away from this individuals. Well, then those individuals get together and then you [01:23:30] get bigger groups and bigger groups and you end up eventually with power groups of large numbers of people with just a few people on top making the making all the choices for all the people down. And if you let that evolve to where it naturally goes, you end up with what 3% of the people owning 95% of all the resources and which is where we are. The people to do all the work are the ones at the bottom. They do all the work, which is where we are. So our society is [01:24:00] a fear-based society. Plus constant conflict between Yeah. constant conflict because the big things are always fighting with each other, trying to take each other's stuff, trying to control the ethic of materialism. Materialism has its own ethic. If you're a materialist, you have to think in a certain way. The ethic that goes with materialism is control, power, force. Okay? I'm materialist. The only thing that exists is the physical world. And [01:24:30] here's some stuff in the physical world that I find useful. So, I'm going to take it. And then I have to keep it. So, I'm going to have to protect. Other people want it, too. So, now I not only have to take it, but I have to be able to defend it and keep it. And then I get other people to help me. And I will help I'll give them some stuff, but they're going to So, now I have a bunch of people. Now, we can take things from smaller groups and so on it goes. So, this this happens that way. So, it's the fear-based way. That's high entropy. [01:25:00] Mhm. When you when you do things from fear, what you create is fundamentally unstable. You can only build so much before it falls apart. And the reason for that is is there's no trust, there's no cooperation or there's very little. Now there maybe there's trust and cooperation among this group and trust and cooperation sort of somewhat among this group. But these two groups fight with each other. But if here's the boss [01:25:30] and he's in charge, well, somebody else wants to kill that boss, so he'll be in charge. It's just not stable. So whenever you have a a uh fascist government, that government isherently unstable. It can't last. It might last 50 years or 100 years, but eventually it self-destructs because it's it's wrong. It doesn't it it can't build. It sws the seeds of its own destruction by the way it treats people. [01:26:00] It creates animosities that eventually tear it down. But I've heard the same argument about democracies. They also seem to have the the seeds of their own destruction. Well, but that's that problem is a little different problem. They cease being democracies. And the idea that, you know, they cease being focused on being helpful, considerate, you know, for the people, of the people, [01:26:30] by the people, right? That's that's the social thing. That's low entropy. They start being about control, power, and force. We want more power. We want more control. We want to manipulate the people so that they do what we want them to do and they think the way we want them to think. So what happens is that old ethic of control power force takes over and deteriorates the democracy into something else. And that's why democracies have a problem is because [01:27:00] materialism is the fundamental belief in western culture which is now culture everywhere. That fundamental belief is a control power force belief. You take it, you own it, you defend it, you fight for it, grab other people's stuff if you can and get away with it. Control, power, force, and reassert itself. So here we are, humanity really a bunch of conscious players, but they have to play [01:27:30] by the rule set that's that's in the virtual reality. And their their job is to make choices, but they don't make very good choices because it's easier to grab somebody else's food than to go find your own. So they don't make very good choices. They have to evolve. They have to grow up. You don't start at the top. You start at the You learn from your mistakes. It's the best way to learn, right? It's almost the only way to learn. So you that's what we're here for. But that general ethic of control, [01:28:00] power, force is still there. So you'll get little pockets, you know, like the Greeks had a republic and they voted and they discussed and they did what the majority wanted and everybody, you know, got along with that, but it didn't last for so long. And the Romans had a republic, but it didn't last for so long because in that general population, the ethic of control, power, force still is dominant. But it's changing. If you go back 500 [01:28:30] years from today, you'll find that everything was a whole lot worse than it is now. You think things are bad now. Things were really bad then. Life was cheap. Yeah, life was cheap. Somebody could pull you off the side and run a sword through you just because they felt that'd be fun to do or because they wanted some sword practice and you were a good target. You know, it's not like that anymore. Well, maybe some places here and there, but basically we've grown up a lot in the last 500 years [01:29:00] now. But look at the almost 200,000 years before that. And basically it was a warlord mentality from the beginning and still and our growth, our evolution, you know, I don't know if camera can pickle my hand running around. I'll stick his other hand out. It gets on the camera more. It was like this very little growth, just barely going up, barely going up, but then it goes up faster because when you the when you grow up, it's easier to [01:29:30] grow up more. So, it's an accelerating function. So, we're now right at this point at the knee of the curve. We're right where it starts to accelerate. That's why there's so much contention right now. Change is coming and it's coming fast. So 200,000 years roughly homo sapiens has been around as an as a a being as a avatar. So 200,000 years not much changed. Warlord mentality, warlord mentality. Then we got someplace about 4 [01:30:00] or 500 years ago and it started we had little blips here and there you know like the Greek and the Romans and there little blips of cooperation and caring but eventually the the masses overwhelmed that and it's now starting to go faster and and we till it goes vertical till it goes vertical and when it goes vertical then we will have created a human culture here that is carrying