Remembering Robert Monroe and Journeys Out of the Body with Tom Campbell, author of My Big TOE -- IFiEobvvA7A

[01:05:00] where she did survive where she wasn't supposed to. Then a little later in that same experience a a nurse had given her an overdose of morphine. Sure. Fatal overdose and she drifted off and they couldn't wake her up and mother called me up again and I brought her back from that one. So there actually were two two events in that one in that one incident. So anyway, there was that one. There was another one that was particularly fun [01:05:30] where this friends of mine. One was a a minister and the other one was the at that time he was the uh I say he was a city attorney. So he was an important member of the community. And they called me. They had this friend and she was dying. She had already been given her last rights, but the priest had come in. She was expected to live for about another [01:06:00] 15 to 20 minutes. She was bleeding to death in her intestine someplace. And they tried they tried everything that they could to stop the bleeding and nothing worked. So, uh, when they were in the last 20 minutes, the lady who was the minister called me up and said, "This friend of mine laying her on a bed bleeding to death. Is there anything you can do about it?" And I went in and first I do I don't just heal. I talk to the person because I want to find out what's going on. What are the circumstances? You don't just butt in [01:06:30] and do things. You have to be sensitive to what's going on. And I talked to her. And the reason that they couldn't stop the bleeding is that she was ready to go. She was gone. her life had kind of gotten to a dead end where her her faith was waning and she didn't really know what to do and felt kind of wrong and useless. So, she was she was willing herself to die. So, they the things they were giving her, the medicines weren't working. She was overriding them with her own free will. [01:07:00] And I talked with her for a while and told her that she still there was a lot of things that she could still do in the world that would be very helpful to a lot of people. It wasn't just about her. It was about the contributions that she could make, the people she could help. And by exiting, she was kind of copying out on on a set of life experiences that were important for her. She still had a lot to contribute. So I went through all of this and eventually of about 5 minutes of that I changed her mind. And [01:07:30] after I changed her mind, then I started to heal her. And it wasn't that hard. Once she was cooperating, the healing was was actually very easy. So I did the healing and uh the bleeding stopped and that was probably about 15 minutes into the 10 20 minutes that she had left and it it coagulated. They gave her dumped a lot of blood into her. They'd been giving her transfusions, but it was just run running through her. So they [01:08:00] gave her more transfusions and the next day she went home. She didn't even have to stay another day. The next day she went home and she told my friends, the two friends of mine that were there with her, she told them the story about what had happened to her and while she was in that condition and so on, but I didn't know anything about that. They didn't tell me. It was just nothing like that. Then about a year later or so, I was a group that um makes [01:08:30] movies of paranormal and sigh things called The Path. We've run across The Path. But anyway, so they wanted to film me for that. And at the time, I had construction going on in my house. So I talked my friend who had a like a a mother-in-law suite outside of his house, and he said, "Sure, you can come on over and do that." It was the same friend that was a friend of this lady that healed. So after he got done [01:09:00] talking to me, he asked Peter, his name was Peter. He said, "Uh, you know, could I interview you? You've known Tom for a while. I'd like to interview you too about things that you know about." And so he started talking to Peter. And Peter brought up this this case of this girl. And he told something that really floored me because I didn't have any idea. All I know is I worked on her, she got better, and she went home. Peter said that this [01:09:30] girl, she got better, and when she woke up, she said that she had had a conversation with God and that God had convinced her that she wasn't done and that she still had work to do. and she was reenthused about her work, about her ministry and other kinds of things and she was just really and she talked about the things that God had told her and it was exactly the things that I had told her and I had also written in an email [01:10:00] to Peter and his wife Carrie. I said, "Well, I worked on her. I think she's going to be all right. Here's the discussion I had with her. I told her these kinds of things to help her." You know, one of the problems was she really was not cooperating with Well, when you say you told her, were were you telling her verbally or was it more telepathic? Oh, it was all telepathic. I was sitting in my She only had 20 minutes to live. I didn't go I didn't go to the hospital. I just jumped right in, talked to her, found out what the problem was, tried to [01:10:30] change her mind. It did change her mind and the healing was easy because she was then positive about living. But then I wrote to my friends who had asked me to work on her. I said, "Well, I talked to her and these are the things I told her, right?" And it seemed to change. Yeah. It seemed to So when Peter now, I didn't know this. This is a year later. He's telling this to this people that are doing the video, right? He's telling her, "Yeah, she uh she talked to God and God told her these things and was [01:11:00] exactly the same things that Tom had written to us and told her." So you were there as God's representative. No, what happened was that she was a religious person and she just heard a voice and the voice was kind and the voice was telling her that she had value and that she was worthy and that sort of thing where she was feeling unworthy and and lost and uh she just jumped to the conclusion that that was God talking to her. Well, it was just me having a a [01:11:30] mind-to- mind conversation because I right away found out what the problem was. You have to do that first before you heal. So, the problem was she didn't want to live. She was done, right? So, that the problem I couldn't solve that by healing her because she has more control over her body than I do from the outside. And even if had I overwhelmed her and made her heal, it wouldn't have been the right thing to do. You don't interfere with people's lives. So I just my my healing was healing her mind and [01:12:00] then it was easy healing the body. So she just jumped to the conclusion, who else talks to you when you're about to die but God. So she jumped to that conclusion and that was the perfect conclusion for her because she was also a minister of some sort and it worked and it was a yeah I remembered it and I remembered in detail that I that I talked to her but I had no idea that that's how she interpreted those words. [01:12:30] But then I was pleased because it was exactly what she needed to know. It was exactly the perspective that she really needed to have. I didn't intend it that way. I was just going to be that that disembodied voice, you know, talking to her. I was not trying to play God. Well, there's so much depth in this story to to unpack because you're not even in the same room with her. You're no at a distance. No. I uh I hung up when my friends said, "Can you help her?" And I [01:13:00] said, "Okay, I'll give it a try." And they said, "She's bleeding to death. She's only got about 20 minutes left." And I hung up the phone and I just stood there. I didn't sit down or do anything. I just stood there and pop my mind. By that time, I could get into that altered state where you can heal in probably tenth of a second. You know, I do that now. You can you can get into that state just instantly because I've done it so many times. So, I just dropped into that state, connected with her because I had her address. She was the girl that my [01:13:30] friends were with and so on. And that that's all you need. And I I see what's the problem here? And I kind of looked at it and the problem was obviously that she really didn't want to live. And uh so then I kind of looked at her and who she was and what she was doing. I got a database dump on her. And it was obvious that she was just disenhearted and and kind of losing her faith, so to speak, and wasn't sure anymore about what she was doing or what value it was. So, I [01:14:00] tried to help her have a more positive attitude toward herself and so on. And and I didn't force her to change her mind. I just told her things that that did end up changing her mind. I don't try to push anything on people. That's the wrong way to to approach it. Don't just go heal somebody because you can. You have to be aware of disease is often part of the process of growing. So, you have to let that take its its course. So anyway, so I found out that that was it. [01:14:30] I helped her see her life from a different perspective that was more positive than the one she had, she changed. But because she was a theologian herself, she interpreted that as God speaking to her and it all worked out just Let me ask you this. Was did the healing work emerge out of your work with Robert Monroe? Yes. cuz those were we were trying to do everything paranormal. We [01:15:00] wanted to experience everything that was paranormal and I wanted then to study it. So I spent hours and hours and hours and years later doing this work you know of doing it this way. And I found that sometimes when I was busy and somebody said you know my aunt Sus is having a hard time and I just say okay Susie heal better. Okay, done. And I wouldn't spend more than 20 seconds on her and Aunt Susie would have a miraculous healing. And I [01:15:30] thought, well, that's strange. I really didn't put much effort into it. And other times, I put a whole lot of effort into it. I spend a week working on a person. It didn't seem to work. So, I wanted to know why. Why is there differences like that? What's the point? What is what's the underlying logic? Because all of this has its own logic. Consciousness is not a random system. It's a it's a system. It's a it's a you know it has its own logic, its own reasons for doing what it does and how it does it and has its own structure and [01:16:00] its own rules. And I wanted to understand that's what physicists do. They try to model reality and this was just to me it was another reality that I was trying to understand. So yes, when I was at Bob's we did mostly remote viewing but we did a lot of healing. We did um we got around in databases, got information. We talked to other entities. We tried Bob usually have a list of things for us to do. He was very [01:16:30] practical. Talk to other entities and see if you can find some other form of energy that we can use. You know, it's a very p practical thing. And uh I tried that for a while until I learned that that was really not a very profitable way to go about things. Yeah. I seem to recall Bob was interested in coming up with new inventions. Yeah. Right. And that really wasn't what it was all about. Mhm. So, you know, I I did some of it because Bob asked and I was willing to see how that went and what were the constraints. But as it works [01:17:00] out, to bring a new invention here, you have to almost be at the point that you're ready to create the invention yourself. Otherwise, there's too big a gap in your understanding. Like if you took a color television set to a bunch of people in the Amazon that had never had contact with outside world. It may be awesome to them because they could see all these little people on the screen doing things but how could