Perceptions from the OTHER SIDE | Robert Monroe - Explorer Tape #10

this is Robert Monroe with another report on tape from our Explorer files our Explorer this time is Maj a psychologist with the background of some 25 years of personal counseling among other things she has learned quite well the process of oral communication while in the out-of- body State and is very lucid in a reporting also this is a good demonstration of the role of the monitor in much of our research effort here is Maj reporting on a meeting as it ismer asmer um John asmer some kind of a power plant plant electrical power Earth yes in Oregon asking if he can remember the dates born Oregon what was his full name osmer what osmer ask him at what time of year he no amember very good ask him what it felt like to die in November in November 1946 ask him what like he died of a heart attack and um it was he felt like he go on and then when he began to pass over to the other side um people came to meet people his mhm ask him what happened after the people met him after Sally met him then what happened there two people that took him man I don't know whether it's his father or his grandfather come by the other hand and him he doesn't really remember all the steps he went through was just a gradual which he began using those skills he had planet to what is the purpose of his on information about use of atoms and he passes it on sometimes to people through dreams he's been attempting to directly information and I I just am being told I'm not going to be given the specifics in this information but search in a have very adamant against the use of nuclear power for weapons and objected have somehow although they haven't actually joined in an external organization there has been a a concerted effort to oppose the use of nuclear power in a detrimental way and John has been attempting to communicate with this kind of circle of plane then ask him from his perspective that he has now from his Viewpoint that he has now is there a way that we can generate electricity very simply without level of crust this can be activated by the Rays of the instrument has seems to be shaped like an ice cream cone large of down 200 ft into sun strikes inside of this cone shaped instrument there is a this is very puzzling to me because personally I don't know anything about anything like this so I'm just describing um I'm seeing a kind of um a aligning inside of this cone-shaped object the cone shaped object is in some kind of heavy metal and this lining is a lighter spins it's activated by the sun and it on the side of of this heavy metal cone there are all sorts of little welded hooks hooks they Loops holes that are like um they have some cables extending out is the point of the cone into the ground or the open end of the cone the point is into the ground and the open end is out and it has a reflector on the around uh what is the angle of the cone off of the center line of the cone what is the angle 35° ask him if the angle is important he said yes what would be the best angle to use then 28° very good then what is the outer shell cone iron very good and what would be the lining it's a different kind of material than I it's it's let me see if I can understand it it's an ratio 7030 30 is a 10 very good fine what is unit if I knew something about this it might be easier I just feel so absolutely blank but I'll listen all you report based on like relative temperatures between the Earth Cent Earth crust where this is gone into 200 ft or more into the Earth and the temperature of the Sun um is something like an alternating um he says it's like an alternate current that takes place very good all right well then uh why don't you ask him if he had any children when son his name was Mark ask him if he knows where Mark is now Maris some some kind of an accident in some 1948 I ask him if his uh if his wife is Earth he says she's remarried to someone named Stuart I think Stuart is the first name but I'm not sure and he's um he's not very um I don't know he just doesn't seem to want to talk about it well I just say so very good then thank him for being so patient with us thank you John and then um ask him how he feels about religion now that he is where he is now how he feels about religion that is as it is he here he said he was never religious he atheist um ask him if he's changed his Viewpoint at all since uh moving to where he is now he kind of um it's like he he gives the impression of um well you know I mean well like uh everyone here knows that there's a a a he says we don't talk about religion um ask him if he understands better the energy by which uh you communicating now well he says he certainly understands it better because when he was on the Earth plane he was not open to such communication um but he says he has much to learn in this area he was really attached to his work um he made his work almost to God uh and so he built up his next his next realm um has to work that out and uh then move on to another place where he can develop more artistic sides of himself in another place where he can develop his spirituality higher but that his what he's saying is that our our um attachments are preoccupations with certain aspects of existence predetermine where we go what planet we work on what our main activities of of um well I guess he refers to it as a level of confusion um uh a level in which many spirits many entities are kind of Trapped um are able to communicate with both sides somewhat but not uh with any expertise or they can't really be helpful to anyone it's a I guess it's he says it's what we talk about as the astral plane um where no real work is done it's just kind of an interim but when one is in that interim feels well he says it it feels partly um not too far from the way one felt on plane very good does he expect to return knowledge he doesn't have any expectations he's in a place where he um he's not he says he's not one of the planners whatever that might said all he knows is that there are like hierarchies um of hierarchy says he's met Messengers you know people that are more are not people entities that are more highly developed than he but he really isn't very clear about all that well then ask him this other thing that when he was on the planet Earth did he attend college oh yes he attended College ask him where he where he attended and what graduated 1928 I can get his poly either he doesn't know or I'm not getting it clearly all I know it begins o oh Odon may just be Oregon I I don't know good and there you have an interview with a John osmer who died in November 1946 apparently we have not validated any of the information on this particular session so if any of you would like to do so go to Salem Oregon and find out about a John osmer who died in November 1946 if you do we would certainly like out also we have much more of this information regarding this generating unit that John osmer is so interested in and perhaps you can find out something also continuing on here's Maj with her favorite friend in a non-physical way your friend's name is moment for but Hans has been with me a lot of the time like whenever I seem to be in a real Spacey place he takes my him yes I ask him then uh how he feels and what he thinks where he is now he really doesn't think about it experiences and he is connected development ask him if there is a difference in his perspective as to where he is now than when he was on the physically oh yes he says there an utter lack of trying where he is now then what is important ask him that he feels about Earth life existence here it's a um it's like a testing ground a Proving to work out our karma in a more effective way than in um he says as far as he can understand and he says too um like so many of the other entities over there that um he has much to learn but he is at a higher level of development than the than the gentleman we spoke to before um he lets me know that but it's not with a sense of Pride or anything statement um he says that originally we all the Earth plane was put together as a kind of amusement just a game the perfect Energy Creator says it wasn't um an accident it concept very good I ask him uh if if from his perspective uh he can uh perceive patterns that will take place in our he um says yes and then he tells me right away personally um that certain patterns have been hidden from me others have been given to me very clearly we'll have to interrupt here because this is the end of this side of the cassette and we will resume with Maj and Hans on the other side so simply pick up your cassette shut it off turn it over ask him U if our understanding of brain mind from his Viewpoint where he is now accurate well he says um there are different approaches in the Earth plane to the concept of brain mind um some are accurate than others but that man has more than one mind has one brain but it has more than one mind and there's a human level mind that we usually think of as our analytic mind that the brain itself computer that's interesting he says that the um the human brain has within it a composite of experiences that extend beyond the life interprets the higher mind knows the higher mind is wise touched with the wisdom but the the ordinary the everyday human mind is The Interpreter of the information that is stored in the brain that sometime man may discover a way to tune into that Storehouse of information just like it has been discovered a way to tune into the stored memories of a lifetime lifetime he says it will be a natural evolutionary process that will go along with the um some of at brain by forceful harmful some of the heavy drug usage particularly sometime create a Aion the current uh shortterm even long-term human memory um and lesion is something that I mean it's like a leakage so that some of these things would leak through but not in a in an organized um sensible fashion creating apparent psychotic um attempting to cure these psychotic helpful but more gentle that particularly in terms of drugs he's talking about um well just a kind of gental understanding um patience the kind of reaching out to the person on healed and in the case of psychotic episodes it's more useful to the individual to heal over further because if we allow the patterns say in an in a more normal brain if we allow the patterns to spontaneous spontaneous wa in which the stored through he says this work that we're doing now is one way of tapping into that information amen he coming in to join us in this man is a well like maybe what a hunter would have won hundreds of years ago he's got on kind of a leather suit no it's a leather it's out of a long vest and it's on top of another shirt and pants hair I asked him who he was and he said he was another guide on the same plane hun his name is Minon I guess that's the same one we talking about I don't remember if that's the same name minerton mhm no Min Min Min that's what he said Minon fine ask him if he has a specialty in were he says he has an interest in them in the outdoors and things to do with the land and conservation he doesn't know if that's a specialty or not he kind of Chuckles about that well that's a pretty good specialty yes ask him if you understands the uh basic needs of growing of plants for that he says sometimes he can communicate with sometimes he can put humans in touch Spirits how does he do do that he has a way of getting out so the human feels a pull toward the plant he says that's why there are some people who seem to know exactly what to do in the growing of plant does he know of any ways to help the plant grow any better the plant needs fresh clear air sunshine and of course water but it needs another quality a kind of a recognition of its consciousness plants are able to help the plant grow by recognizing its Consciousness being completely aware and we'll just put out everything it has toward growth is there a way that we can learn this he says it's not a matter of learning it's just it's a matter of accepting that this is a fact and adjusting one's attitude according L um simply be aware that each plant has the capacity to feel its environment and feel the emotions What attitude should we take then when we Harvest plants for our own consumption a thankful attitude of giving the plant thanks for growing because this consciousness of the plant does not intend to be continually um living in the plant form that it's very will willing to be transformed into another form of Consciousness by being used or any other industrial use that is survival so we must have an attitude of thankfulness like thanking the plant for growing to the state he says it really does the plant really has has it choice there's a choice factor of growing larger and more healthy if one consumes such a plant does that Consciousness uh then become a part of the person who consumes the plant yes then are there different degrees of contributes to the life people are more vibrant or Alive who eat fresh and raw foods because the Consciousness is still alive plant and transfers to the person who consumes it or the animal who consumes it how long does it stay within weeks but the sooner after it's harvested that it's consumed the better it is does freezing affect uh the he says it dims it makes it less conscious but if it's frozen very quickly um they benefit from the Consciousness is still there but not to the same extent as if it were consumed fresh but it is better to freeze in these terms it is more useful to freeze than to cook I see then by inference uh the best way that we would have plants for our consumption uh in uh winter time as it were would be a greenhouse where we could have fresh plants yes it would uh he says there are other benefits to the the edible plants besides transmitting this life force through the Consciousness there are nourishing effects of of the cooked plants and the stored plants also but to get the maximum Effect one would eat fresh raw edible plants ask him if he has uh ever existed here on or in planet Earth and has is well aware of the plants that we have he says plant rudaba rudaba M I couldn't hardly say that because he I just don't can imagine it but he says like he likes carrots and all the dark green plants spinach brol but he's not as partial to those plants that have to be dried and but he knows that they are we must have them and they're useful but he says you're asking his own personal preference yes but he says they're very good but particularly corn he prefers wheat he says very nourishing but it's well he's kind of he's kind of laugh he's kind of joking about this because he says really you know it doesn't make any difference what what he used to like but these are all very good uh sources to eat the fresh raw vegetables grains fruits and he's showing me fish and that you can also eat fish raw and I'm kind of making a face and he says well you don't have to it's it has a lot of nourishment in it if you broil it or bake it it's not so good for you fried you um I'm trying to get him to talk more he says a human being would be healthier and more flesh that we uh we have developed a certain dependency on animal flesh and particularly in cold climates it seems to be um the the body see seems to um we would do better if we ate the grain directly instead of feeding it to animals we would be more what he showing me what people being kind of light and springy and diseases he approves of eggs he seems to he seems to be kind of on the borderline about foul he says it's I mean it depends on the circumstances if a it's almost like I have the feeling he's trying to say to me it's not too clear but it's like he's trying to say that um there were there periods there periods of time when um men eat different kinds of things and it with well it has to do with their habits and their patterns so maybe one would like wean oneself away from the fleshy animals and maybe then have um foul and and then maybe not have that but to have eggs and fish I see lots of fish all around with food it says wild fowl is more um more Health producing that's interesting there's something about the domestic um the domestically produced F that it feels is not too good for us and I am asking him does it have anything to do with the hormones and he said it has to do with a lot of the polluting factors um but that he feels more comfortable about wild like wild ducks or fants or well he's talking over with Haun and um forth hun is not hun says he's not really he doesn't specialize in that and in this this other person Min does but that uh Hans feels it you know really doesn't make a lot of difference he has a feeling that although he agrees with his friend that this would be the probably the most healthy he feels that a human can developed to a level um he not adversely affected by by any particular food um and they're kind of arguing A Min saying well well what why do we have to worry about adverse effects why don't we talk about what's positive and and just eat the things that are going to bring bring bring a result Hans is more inclined to just kind of let be um this other man is more um oh more directive like uh more protective of the people that level um but they really don't basically disagree I think H yes I'm sure he's saying well that's right saying that if it comes about naturally so that the foods the food patterns uh evolved Naturally by man listening to his body and eating these appropriate what the body really asks for that then this is the most positive way to approach the matter of eating um their disagreement seems to be in method rather than than um uh actually what is the best thing to eat it's like Min is more um inclined to be kind of bossy sort of autocratic and Hance is is more um um more tolerant more tolerant uhhuh kind of allowing and uh letting them letting the thing happen another thing they're both saying this that food grown in the same area where one lives is very much healthier for that human body that the the the atmosphere contributes to the the Consciousness within the plant or animal and that atmosphere spere Blends more more perfectly with the Consciousness that has been surrounded by the same atmosphere MH very very interesting but creates some problems I guess it would so that's why Hans again says well you know he kind of shrugs his shoulders a little bit and he says well you know you're right I agree we both agree but you know from a practical standpoint uh these humans have gotten themselves into so many funny situations that they have to go and buy everything from the supermarket that's been shipped there says he used to like to cook he used to like to make bread bread it's kind of it's showing it to me I don't know what it name is but it's um it's kind of a heavy it's a brown Loaf and it's sort of heavy and flat it didn't rise yeah it looks like it fell but he says it's supposed to be that way but it's heavy and it wasn't meant to I mean it just it's a kind of a you I don't know what his name is I wish he'd give me the recipe but I I don't think he says sometimes what what he says is sometime if I'm okay I'll see if this works he's saying sometime when I'm baking bread and I'm and I'm you know starting I'm looking through things that he might s of nudge me and say well if you change this recipe this way would he really do this would he really give you this unseen assistance mhm yes I'm asking him that and he says yes see well if he's not too busy doing dimension a new dimension indeed to the art of cooking among other things well we hope you've enjoyed this tape and the many meanings that are implied in it see