1976-10-04 TC

1976-10-04 TC (This is an unedited transcript, auto generated by otter.ai.) I got in contact with Thor and asked him if the visualization improving frequencies should broadcast the 100 and the 200 and the 300 and he said, No, that really wasn't necessary just do the 200 had asked whether or not Thor was acquainted with marinon And also, and he said, yes, indeed he was, and though I did definitely perceive that he is a different or separate source from those. He seemed to be aware of what's been going on here, and does know of at least some of our other sources and report does he agree with some of the Things that we have received from them? Yes. Hey, I the general is feeling I picked up from him, and he has quite a bit of respect and good feelings toward both of those sources. They are highly reputable. I very long day. He says, let's hear it. Certain type of certain type of soil, not. Part of this represented that certain figures famous in Earth history here have both in truth. How does he feel about the validity of that? I What did the soil have to do with this? What's that connection the physical first here? First of all, has been here and acted as voice Chantal, came through him to us certain famous Earth personalities who are no longer in physical Earth, and wanted to know the validity of, how does he know of that, and the validity, in other words, the accuracy of the fact that could, First of all, and did second call, famous personality, come back and seek through this individual. Okay, I think all the information. Is there. Let me confer a little bit. First of all, the sounds that kind of reason I had to step back and have a little discussion on this, as the sounds that I'm hearing are changing frequency, and that evidently, is changing my energy level some to the point that Thor has to keep changing his own energy system in order to maintain the communication. So that's okay. I think any of those frequencies were all right. It was just the change seemed to necessitate that he changed with it, which he seemed to be getting used to. But it was like an additional distraction. The answer that he started to give to the question was a little surprising. He is aware of whom you speak, although I am not, first started to answer in general, and then I asked him for something more in particular about This a person, and in general, he started off saying, everybody, when they communicate with a source, would rather feel that it was a an important historical figure. Not a great deal of what's attributed to famous people is really not necessarily so. And then on part, it's the part of the person doing the communication, relating more strongly with the historic figure, and also it could be of the part of the non physical communicator, misrepresenting, or at least representing himself in such a way as To facilitate the communications, much as people sometimes would converse with particular kinds of religious figures, just because that made the communication more acceptable. Then I asked him about this particular case, and the image I got was that the energy essence of these people, along with all people. But since we're talking about famous people, just going to restrict the discussion to them, even though this is really true for all entities, their energy essence isn't tied up in them, singularly, to say it another way, they are not just that personality or just that essence that Earth people recall as a certain personality, and that even after the famous person dies, is reintegrated into a larger entity still the characteristics of that singular entity that was that famous person still is unique and exists by itself, but it exists as a part of a larger entity, almost like an arm, exists as a part of a larger entity, the body, though it has its own unique identity besides and also this, this energy, this unique part of a larger entity that is related To the specific personality of such a famous figure. This energy can be distributed to a lot of different places at the same time. In other words, it's like there that can be tuned in on it's not necessarily a one to one for. Correspondence like this, this personality essence that's a part of the larger essence doesn't like make an exclusive communication. It's like those that essence is there and can be tuned in on by many different people, and even simultaneously, and even those people that are tuned in on the same personality essence at the same time may be carrying on entirely different communications with that essence. So it's like a multi channel entity, and now we're talking just about the that particular personality essence of a larger entity, and that this person whom you, that you were referring to, has indeed tuned in on some part of the energy essence of these famous people. But that is not to say that he holds their attention exclusively. Rather he is, you might say, picking up on or tapping into a certain part of the energy vibration that is this personality. I got the picture almost like a standing wave motion, and that was radiating. And the particular characteristic of this wave or frequency was this particular personality essence, and that all of us have the necessary antenna to pick up on the radiation from that essence. But that, in a sense, that makes it a personal communication. But in a sense, it's not really that personal. Does that answer the question? Yes. Question Is it certainly has the potential to be very accurate in so much as he has tuned in to these personality energies that are valid, I get the I get the feeling that, no it, it does not get a blanket stamp of validity, and so much as the energy that is received or that's tuned in on First of course, is filtered through the individual's own consciousness, and there is always some error introduced here. See if I can get something more specific about the individual you're referring to. I get that some of the information is correct and some is not. I don't get an overall real high integrity rating on it. It's sort of like it sometimes good, sometimes not good, a little sketchy, not as this in general, Thor doesn't have as much respect for the quality of information as say he would have a Marin on or an OSO. It's a it's a different quality than those two. I order source seems to. Understand what it is this soil thing is, again, I don't know, I believe he was able to pick up on it and know what was being talked about. I didn't get an overwhelming enthusiasm, but I definitely did get that whatever this technique is, it has some very worthwhile, positive components to it, almost like, well, it's, yeah, it's a good idea and it work, or it does work, or has worked, but maybe there's still some bugs in it, or maybe there's some things about it that aren't really understood very well. I'm not quite sure what the hesitancy was. Generally, I got a positive feeling about it, that, yes, there was something to it, and at the same time, there was more to it than what we understood or who originated long yet about so I have the feeling that Thor knows about whom you speak. I get the feeling in general, that this person has kind of drifted in and out along the edges of non physical communication, and that he gets information that way, but it's not a really highly developed routine. And should I say it's not a highly developed, accurate channel that's used consistently or is consistently correct. But I do have the idea that this person is, let's say, intuitively aware, more than the ordinary person. Do you have any specific things about this person that I should ask? What if some of those other self rising as I get the feeling that much of his information came intuitively. But as far as this particular that you mentioned, de salbury coal, I don't really get anything at all like Thornton, really have much an opinion of whether that was, you know, I can't tell from Thor's reaction whether that was something that he did or didn't do, or really much about the detail that they really didn't get a reaction to it at all, then see it. Lord can look ahead at the possibility test of entering into the soil, not earth pattern. Now that's matter now. Yes, there's seems to be definitely something of value here. There are things to be learned. In general. Yeah, I got a positive go ahead on it. Report on energy matters, trans, answer, I, I? A current stop. It is our talk about process in some transferring alive human beings from one point to another. Enigma I uh, the answer is yes and no, it is possible for a human being to teleport. But I get the feeling that this is not something that can very likely be done by outside influences, in other words, subjecting the the body or any matter to external fields or influences, and therefore disassembling it and reassembling it elsewhere. This is something that that, rather than being forced from the outside, has to be something that is arranged or done from the inside. In other words, it takes the well cooperation, the word I get, I don't know. That doesn't sound quite right, of the person or object that is transferred in this matter. In other words, it's highly unlikely that this is being done objectively to a person to teleport him without that person's involvement. I'm not quite sure how that goes together. That's just sort of the way it came. I Yes, yes, yes, there's no. There's no problem with his willingness to teach. The problem is with our capability to perform the have to have a very high level of control over your own mental processes in order to be able to control such things, and as of yet, he doesn't really see that any of us have that sort of control to be able to do that practice. The exercises that we're doing now are very helpful, if sufficient, control the mental processes developed through practice, then there is no prohibition in altering Reality. Really. This teleportation is really a reality altering process. It's like you go out of space time here, go into a no time region where there is not the same space time and then you pop back into our space time region. That's essentially the way it's the way it's done. It's like you travel around space time and then come back into it, and that's what affects the the seemingly instantaneous. Teleportation, yes, what is the energy? I don't know how to answer what energy is being used. It's the same energy that is used to project the body into physical matter, reality to begin with. It's the energy essence of the entity of animate mass, I don't you know the the answer to that is, is almost like it's a dumb question, or it's a question that really can't be answered because the answer is too, too obvious, like it is the energy, the energy of self, which it's Not a very good answer. What the relationship is that a very little relationship to electricity, a very peripheral one. They're not that closely related at all. Electricity, is a physical phenomena as we define it, and this is dealing This is essentially a non physical phenomena, even though it involves the the changing of the physical, or it intercepts with the physical. In other words, the process of transportating is really, in a large part, a non physical process, not a physical one, whereas electricity is very much a physical disturbance, a physical entity now, so, yes, any final message? Well, when we first started, he I had asked him whether or not he knew ASO or Miran. He indicated that he could affect an introduction, or at least a meeting with Miran, and I think I'd like to see if he won't do that now I I seem to have made a contact with what appears to be mirror non. Now, how I would know whether or not it is in fact, the same maranon that we know of number four, Thor tells me that it is, it was a different source than Thor. First, it was very faint, almost like a feed through. And then gradually, I guess, as it picked up on my own energy came in and is now pretty, pretty clear. So if you have any questions, or if you can think of anything that would perhaps check this, this new source identity, I'm getting a smile, kind of a chuckle from a source when I said that, but go ahead and ask it. I Um, first of all, he answered the question. But first he kind of paraphrased it with a thing says, Well, you know, you have to understand that communicating through or with you won't be exactly the same as communicating with the Shay. I have a whole new set of almost like a new set of raw material to work with, and you can't expect that the results will be the same. And then he said, I I have to go back and get that. I've about half forgotten that getting the first part of that message. I believe it was 4748 I let me go back and re ask that. 4748 I don't really recall where he was before, but I how he perceives it. He seems to be very, you know, like I like it. He's very pleased or enjoys where he is. I seem to find him in a very relaxed, easy going mood. He evidently has had to do some kind of level shifting or manipulation to to facilitate this communication. I I don't know whether that 4748 he gave me something he had to, to go to, to to facilitate this, or whether that's, that's where he is, or I'm not quite sure that i But anyway, where his, his, the sense of what you meant was sort of houses, his, his lifestyle, where he is and he is, I kind of have the feeling that He's just kind of recently come to where he is now, and that he likes it very much. What we can do for young I'd asked him a few questions. About that right in the beginning, just to see if sort of he was indeed mirroring on or someone claiming to be. He's shaking his head at me for that statement, and I he essentially gave me a report that said that liana. I asked him about Shay. I had forgotten about his word NAME Liana, that she was involved in, sort of doing her own, coming to grips with things, and her own growing period now that has narrowed her view. Well, that's not really right either, but she's more self involved in a in a growing pattern, something that she needed to go through, and that she had gone very far, probably a little too fast, and she's now kind of gathering together, kind of in a in a concern. Instructive retreat. You might say that she's she's doing well. She's working on, on gathering her scattered energy into a more coherent grouping. And he also had words of greeting when he came for you, and in general, the people here at the lab now all the time that this source, this marathon source, is here, Thor is also standing by, hasn't gone anywhere. He's just like sitting by observing, and I definitely can am aware of the two separate sources here at The same time. Yes, it's very pleasant. It's different personality than Thor, but very, yeah, very pleasant. I almost have the feeling that Miranda and Thor were maybe not really old friends, But something like that, you're not well again. Certainly, I uh, he says that just using his name would be sufficient, but to expect a little bit of difficulty at first, until a almost like an energy sharing has to be built up between us, was the idea I got. In other words, it's not just like plugging a phone jack and a plug. There's a certain amount of conditioning I get the the conditioning is mainly my part, on my part that I have to sort of learn his energy pattern, and the stronger that learning is, or the better that I, that I know is energy pattern, then the easier will be the making the contact and that that we'll just have to to work through that it might even be easier to go through Thor a few times as an intermediary. He's not really sure whether that'll be necessary or not, but should expect that things really will be a little rougher in the beginning, until a some sort of established pattern evolves, but just calling his name will attract his attention. Ask them, how others, oh, yes, it's very possible. They, well, there's no prohibitions against it at all. They both happy to meet with other members of our group, just as they're meeting with me. There's nothing particularly special about meeting with me the difficulty is essentially in the introduction, because if a person does not recognize a particular energy essence, then it's almost like that energy essence is invisible. They look right through it. They don't recognize the pattern of feelings, not familiar. It's very hard to establish contact. For that reason, once a contact has been established and then repeated again and again, to strengthen that recognition, it becomes easy. So the hard part is the establish. Punishment of the initial recognition. This was done for me tonight by Thor who supplied the necessary link. Now. Watch first, he says that he's very pleased to be back, and very I can tell that he's very happy to sort of regain his position of communications with our group. He has missed that and is very pleased to reestablish he you're requiring as to The more precise time that exactly what will happen. I first reaction to your phrase that it would be in our the proximity of our time where our lifetime was, uh, kind of amusing. It's like, oh boy. It's sure, you know, like, it sure is. There's no way you're gonna get out of this one. It's in the proximity of your time, all right. And with that, I felt that other things were implied besides just California. But as far as California is concerned, winter, this winter is, let's see, it's not going to be just a single like the Big Bang. It's going to be spread over some amount of time. But I'm trying to look at the the counter months and have him indicate i 6543211, open your eyes now, stay in place for a few moments until you feel completely aware and physically alert. Then sit up, stretch and breathe deeply several times in January. Let me see if I can get some specific days I the information I get is that this year, this winter, will be a large disturbance For California, but there'll be even a bigger disturbance the following year. That the biggest is not going to be real soon, but there will be something coming up this winter. I get some time in about the I get the 12th says it's kind of hard to specify things that closely, but this is. Best you can tell right now about January the 12th, as far as dates go, oh, there will be a quake of magnitude that's larger than any, than any of the usual tremors, a I don't see a big, you know, a big, super disaster, or anything, just a sizable, respectable earthquake, earth shaking. Oh, the part that everybody expects along the sun andreas fault line. I uh, in general, the answer is no, that they really have their own sources of information, and I don't think that was necessarily meant as you know their own particular entities they talk with, but they have their own intuition and their own in touchness with what's going on, and that it's not really appropriate For us to move them around, that that's something really, that they have to work out themselves, and that, in any case, I don't see that this upcoming one in this winter is that disastrous? Well, I suppose if any major quake is disastrous, but it's, it's like there's worse coming later, but pretty much, let them take care of themselves. I guess I of 1984 by then, the United States will begin to take new shape. There'll be enough changes then to have to redraw the map and so since the major impact or thrust of the changes are really part of a part of the evolution of Earth and general overall man consciousness that the, of course, the best thing that any persons can do is to try to stay On top of this changing mind evolution, or, I suppose, keep in touch with kind of the earth consciousness that's, that's, that's evolving so that you get the maximum. It's almost like you're it's like surfer out looking for the good wave to get on. And you have to be aware, and you have to know what you're doing, so that you can get the maximum evolution out of it, so to speak, so that you don't waste this. This great opportunity expending your energy in unfruitful directions. So it's essentially keeping aware of the non physical or spiritual aspects of this evolution so as to be able to make the most of it when it comes this is what anybody or everybody can do. And in so much as we help other people develop this sort of Earth slash humanity awareness, then we're Helping them to more efficiently meet this evolutionary change. I Well, what we're doing is just fine. I don't get any bold new directions or anything like that. Often or not, I almost get the idea that it's really, not really all that big a deal as far as the number of individuals that we particularly Help to this obtain a higher order of consciousness it's almost like that's such a drop in the bucket. I mean, not that it's unimportant for those individuals, it's very important, and therefore it is important period, but that's such a small drop in the bucket as far as mankind in general, that we shouldn't feel any responsibility to save the world or all of mankind, that people will do what they have to do, and react to it In the way that they that they do. And somehow I get the feeling our working in this area is having an impact that's more general and more subtle on a very large number of people, in contrast to the small number of people we actually physically contact and and directly help raise their level of consciousness. I'm not sure exactly what this overall effect is, but somehow we seem to be having a positive effect on on conditions overall. That's much, really, much more significant than just the individuals we work with, and that this has a lot to do with our own attitudes and our own understanding, almost as if the raised level of consciousness that we are developing and working on here, kind of travels as vibes to all the other people around us that kind of helps them in some Non conscious, non verbal way to improve their own level of consciousness, almost by association, like We're radiating helpful vibes. If that's a helpful description, I Yes, tell her to go back to the I. Things that we discussed with her earlier. Tell her to that she has forgotten. She has put aside these, these suggestions, these uh. Of directions which were pointed out to her that she should go back to these and reconsider them and reevaluate, reevaluate her present course in direction, in light of the things that we helped her with in the past, but right she, I have a feeling she's laid these things by and is not really even utilizing all of the information that Miran helped her become aware of and that she should, in some gentle way, be reminded that she does have all of this information and that perhaps she could, or should Make, or could make some better use of it. So uh, not so much a special phrase or word that would like a code word convince her that this was a valid communication, but to tell her that that I now I'm getting the words as Miranda says himself, speaking his first person, tell her that I am still with her and that I have not abandoned her or left her, and that I still work with her on a non conscious level, that the the way things not this is me. Now, I'm not quite getting this straight. Sort of the way things have evolved, or the way things are, the way things have worked out, is okay, and that she should be encouraged to to continue at her own pace and in her own way, and that she should know that marinon will always sort of be in the background and outside of her conscious awareness, doing what he can, or really available for Help, as she might wish to ask for it so that, and also, of course, there's, I feel an extreme warm feelings of love and concern that he is feeling for liana. It's, I guess you could boil it down to something like, I love you, I still care about you, and I will stay with you and will help you, if you or will help you period, Whether you ask or Not, but will help you directly if you ask you he says it's good to be back with you again. He's looking forward to more communications. He. That he had been for some time looking for ways to reestablish communication, and had his efforts, evidently had not been very successful, until he somehow stumbled onto the figured out the idea, or the gimmick of getting an introduction from Thor, and that He hoped that he not only communicate me, but with others in our group, and that he is hoping a a more varied and a broader with uh, he is now not as specifically uh tied to Liana as he was in the sense that he was kind of exclusively working with Liana, because at the same time he was some involved in very intense efforts to help Liana, and working through her seemed to be the best way to achieve the help that he was trying to provide her. But now that she had kind of gone off to do her own re, re cooing, bringing herself together, and needed this time by herself, that he would be able to work more broadly with that group, and that he's Looking forward to establishing contact with others Besides myself. You now Thor just said I was just glad to do it. I'm glad that it worked out well. Thor is definitely more Cavalier In his approach things i