The Basement: Thomas Campbell | NASA Secrets, Binaural Beats, Simulation Theory

[00:59:30] work? said, "We had no idea, but it had a charge on it. We knew how to shake it up." So, we put a big plate, big metal plate about, I don't know, probably 15 in square and a big metal plate about 15 in square. Put them up on stands. And uh when it came to who was going to sit in there and and experiment, says, "Why don't you try it first?" [laughter] >> I was wondering if you drew straws. >> I was I was the one that tried it first. I tended to be like that anyway. So to [01:00:00] make we wanted to make an electric field, a very strong electric field and we wanted the electric field to go back and forth. So we wanted a sine wave, you know, so it wasn't just one way. What we were trying to do is shake the pineal gland at four hertz, >> right? >> Because that was the magic frequency where Bob went out of body. So we had these big plates and we got some kind of big uh voltage generator. I can't remember what it was, but you know, even the the wires say in a in a cattle [01:00:30] fence, you know, that shocks the cattle, >> they like 250,000 volts and stuff like that because there's almost no current. >> There's just real high voltage. >> So, when you get close to it, you get a little arc. High voltage, >> low amps, >> but it's only micro amps that are in it. So, you don't kill anything, >> but you give them a snap. >> Okay, >> that's the high voltage. So, we got one of those high voltage thingies and we got it out driving these plates and I don't know like 250,000 volts or something and it got within about [01:01:00] probably two or three inches of each ear. >> We didn't want them to touch because that would have [laughter] been a disaster, >> but we had it uh just a little bit. And I said, "Guys," or Dennis, I says, "If my head if I start to get woozy and my head starts to move around," I said, "Turn it off before I I hit this with my head and that with my chin." you know, we said, "Okay." And he was with the switch. And so I sat there for probably 15 minutes with this thing jerking my brain around with an electric field that [01:01:30] was very strong electric field. Anything in there with charged particles was was being slammed back and forth. And I was trying to meditate and see how did how did it affect my mind? What did it do to to my mental space? And didn't do anything to my mental space. It didn't. >> I didn't have any I didn't have any sensation other than it my mental space was particularly blank. I wasn't >> as able to do as much as I usually did. I kind of made the mental space dead, [01:02:00] but it didn't do anything interesting with it. Kind of deadened it. So after about 15 minutes, I said nothing. You know, it's it's not changing anything in particular. I don't feel anything. And both of us were very sensitive at that time. So he he turned it off and I had a headache for two weeks. I had a splitting headache for two solid weeks before my brain got over that. But that was try anything and see see what worked. You know, we did anything that [01:02:30] anybody ever mentioned. We tried it to see how it worked. Most of it didn't work much. Most of it was a lot of a lot of uh guesswork and not not very scientific or anything. So we tried everything and the when in that in that sense of trying everything, Dennis ran into an old Scientific American article that was published in the 60s and actually that was in a library of [01:03:00] information that was at the this secret, you know, uh place that we worked. So he got he got that and uh he said, "Oh, there's an article here about binaural beats. They entrained brain waves." Oh, let's try it. Well, he he had been in the in the u he had been in the electrical engineering part of University of Virginia. I'd been in the physics part of the University of Virginia. that we kind of borrowed some equipment and uh [01:03:30] we he made some tapes of binaural beats and uh we went out to the lab the next time and we listened to the binaural beats and we said wow that really is effective and then we said well let's optimize it. So then we borrowed a little more equipment and we got a a signal generator and we tried not only sine waves like you normally would get but we tried you know triangle waves, square [01:04:00] waves, >> slamps and then squares we we every kind of signal form that we could wave form that we could. We tried all those and sine waves actually turned out to be the easiest but that was the one that worked the best as well. We tried all kinds of bass frequencies from really high to really low and and varied them, but they all had the binaural beats all had a four hertz differential between the two frequencies every you know pure frequency here, pure frequency there, four hertz between it. You'd get the [01:04:30] beat frequencies down inside your corpus colosum which is the membrane between the hemispheres. That's where the beats would occur. >> Can you explain um how Hemisync works? how we're able to detect that four hertz because the ear can't. >> You'd hear it. You'd hear it, but you didn't hear it through your ears. You could plug your ears up and it made no difference. You'd hear it just the same with earplugs in or earplugs out. So you heard it in your corpus colossum, not in your the general way that sound goes in [01:05:00] because we did that with the thing, you know, we stuck in these earplugs to to see was anything. And we we kind of looked at bone conduction, whether whether the sound was hitting, you know, making the bones in your skull vibrate, but none of that was the case. It turned out that they that the um the actual beat frequency was taking place down at the neuron level in the corpus colosum. That's where the beats were coming from. And that's why it was successful in in in training brain waves. [01:05:30] >> But you'd right that's frequency follow response. >> Mhm. >> Uh that if it's if it's a brain wave, the brain sort of entrains to it. But you'd have two different frequencies and there would be a four hertz differential. >> Differential. Right. So, if you played that out in the air, if I had a speaker here and a speaker here, and I had a four hertz, you'd hear the sound from both of those, but you'd also hear awesome. [01:06:00] So having that happen though not in the air not in the you know but inside the head that was going on and that actually entrains brain waves. So you look at a eventually we we borrowed and begged and stole stuff from the universities that we were real familiar with. They were real familiar with us. We'd been [01:06:30] students there you know and so on. So we could borrow some things as long as we took it back. It was okay. And we got a signal generators. We got an EEG. be barred from someplace. >> Okay. So, we had this EEG and we'd we'd look at it and generally the waves are kind of like this, you know, they come and go. There's some over here, some over here, and they up and down and they're they're like that. They're not that steady. And then we put that binaural bead on and then right down to four hertz. And you'd get about 80% of [01:07:00] all the energy. If you think of energy as the as the area of the curves under the under the peaks, all that energy would kind of migrate and then you'd get this big spike at four hertz. >> Really? >> Yeah. And >> and you'd see that on the EEG. >> Yeah. You can see that. Wow. You can see that on on, you know, by taking the EEG >> and it um >> it obviously worked. You were in training to that beat frequent. we could move the beat frequency to 8 hertz and [01:07:30] then stuff would go over to 8 hertz. So we used that then at a at just Bob said he thought it was just a little less than four hertz. So we'd do it like at a 3.85 or something like that. We'd set it up. It's close enough. I tried it at that and four and it doesn't really make that much difference. It's not that it's not that specific to the frequency. But anyway, we put it about four hertz. And like I say, we tried different waveforms, different beat, you know, because the bass frequency didn't [01:08:00] matter. You're going to have a bass frequency, 1000 hertz and 104 or 10,000 and 10,0004 or 100 and 104. It didn't matter. You still get a four hertz beat, right? >> But the various frequencies also had some effects on you. And we found then you know I've given courses probably hundreds of people I've given these binaural beats and I've I've finagle them around and changed them a little and change it to keep making them better. So I've got a set that I saw on my website that is kind of that the the [01:08:30] result of my experience doing a lot of a lot of courses. >> Do they produce different effects the frequencies? >> Um yeah everybody's a little different. Sure. you know, and it's something you have to cooperate with. If you go in there and decide to, you know, to resist it or not pay any attention, then it's not going to do anything for you. You have to kind of let go your own mind go, just listen to the beats. And if you just let them be there, they'll do their thing automatically. It's nothing that [01:09:00] you have to do with them. I mean, they're just it's biology, you know? or you send these things in, you'll get that that beat that out of the corpus colossum and that will put you in a more of a theta state and and your EEG will kind of migrate into the theta state. So that is um that's just biology. But how to make that work better, you know, there's ways to make it work better. Now, I do a really complex thing. I I'll start at a higher frequency, let it slowly go down. And what I'm trying to do is catch people [01:09:30] where they are. you go into this and you're at some frequency. Well, you just start them down here. There's a there's, you know, it's like it's difficult to make that migration. So, I start from up where people are, and then I slowly run down a ramp until I I get them down into the alpha, then down into the the theta state, which is the four hertz. And then from there on, I'll run this this four hertz state for a while. And every once in a while I let it run up into 8 hertz into low alpha just for less than 30 [01:10:00] seconds. Goes up and back down 30 seconds. And I do that to keep people awake because some people have a tendency to to lose it altogether like I I did >> fall asleep that well you lose consciousness. You don't always fall asleep but you lose consciousness. >> So that's just like a little hey back to work you know. So every like every 5 minutes or so, I do a little zip zip zip zip, you know, and then I take the sound [01:10:30] in between those zips, I run it down and actually drop it down to two hertz, a little deeper. And I'll run that for like a minute and a half. Not enough to put them out or make them, you know, wink out, just enough to pull them down a little bit. Then I'll go back up to the four and I'll do a little zip up to eight. Anyway, I've got these binaural beats that that I've just trial and error, you know, I've put them together and and uh they work pretty good. And I got them at all different kind of bass [01:11:00] frequencies because guys tend to like the lower level and some people really like the very low level at 30 hertz. 30 and 34. You get down to 34 and you feel it in your body. You physically can feel your body being >> pushed around. You can. It resonates. >> Yeah. at that at that level and some like it up at say 500 htz where it's a kind of a high thing sort of like the alarm that Alexa