The Basement: Thomas Campbell | NASA Secrets, Binaural Beats, Simulation Theory

[00:47:30] >> So, you're not seeing anything >> or hearing anything. >> No, not at that point. Not when you start. >> Okay. >> You start out and you're just a piece of mind. Now, he may have a mission for us to do or we may just go have an experience and then things would happen. Things would show up. I'd see things or even hear things and I'd interact with them. >> But this seeing and hearing had nothing to do with the physical world. This was all just stuff that was happening in mind space. >> What was what were you experiencing? >> Well, there was multiple things that I [00:48:00] would experience. I'd meet people. You have conversations with them. You could talk to them. find out what they did, what they knew. Did they know anything about Earth? Did they know anything? You know, you could have conversations with people. So, it's one thing. >> Are those actual sensient entities or is that in your mind? >> No, it's everything is in your mind. Everything. Reality is information. >> You are an aware consciousness. You're getting a data stream and that data [00:48:30] stream then defines your reality. If that data stream tells me, oh, the data says there's a table here and a mic, well then that's here in this reality. If the data stream says I'm talking to, you know, a pink elephant with purple polka polka dots, well, you're not here. You're someplace else. So, you just interact with the things that are not here. They're just non-physical things. But it's a data stream. And I found out later now this, you know, fast forward [00:49:00] 25, 30 years and I realize I'm just getting a data stream. And then I go back and look at it and I say, well, you know, all those things I learned, they were all part of a process of getting a grip on consciousness and what it was. And I was learning to do paranormal things and I wanted to understand how did they work. I knew I could do them, but why did they work that way? So I started building a information to explain the things that I was capable of doing and the beings and the the things [00:49:30] I could heal, I could you know remote view, I could connect mind to mind, I could do these things and I did them often enough that I was confident that I was doing these things. >> Did you have to be in the state to do those things? >> You just had to get in this state where you weren't in a physical reality anymore. once you weren't in [clears throat] the physical reality more that you could make connections. You could talk to, you know, you could talk to your teenage children and you could say, "Hey guys, I love you and you know, you're planning on doing [00:50:00] this sort of thing and here's some ideas. This it, you know, here's like the downside and here's like the upside. Your choice, but I just wanted you to see the bigger picture." So you could talk to your kids and if you said that to your kids, you know, it maybe wouldn't go over as well, but they hear it as their own mind, right? Thinking >> that's their thought and they're sitting there going, "Oh, you know, maybe I should think of this and maybe I should consider that." >> They think it's intuition, but it's dad. >> Yeah, it's dad. And they see it as [00:50:30] intuition. Now, if you talk to somebody who's also able to, you know, make those connections, then they'll hear it and they'll know who it is. But most people they just hear it as their own intuition speaking to them, their own their own voice. >> And there's a lot of ethics that goes along with that. You know, that can be abused badly. So you have to be a very ethical person. But developing the ethics goes along with developing the abilities. >> Sure. >> They all kind of work together. So yes, [00:51:00] you just go into that state and then you're there and you're clear-minded. You're not down in the fog. you're clear-minded and you just focus your intent on what you want to do and where you want to go and the things that you want to accomplish and then you go do those. And if you go to to tmi, you can look up the old explorers and they've found a bunch of old tapes of Tom Campbell with Bob Monroe telling, you know, Bob talking to me and me responding to Bob with the mic in my [00:51:30] lips. And they've got probably 20 videos of me doing that back in the, you know, the early middle '7s. >> I didn't know they had that there. >> Yeah. Bob was very frugal. So when he bought cassette tapes and he went through them very quickly. Every time I got in the booth, there was a cassette tape and every time Dennis and anybody else got in, it was a cassette tape. So he bought them by the big box full, but he bought the cheapest that he could buy from Radio Shack, [00:52:00] >> right? He'd go in there and he'd buy the cheapest tapes he could. Well, the cheapest tapes means that they got about a 10-year life before they start disintegrating and falling apart. And he threw them all in a big box when he was done with them. He put them in this big box and he had hundreds of tapes, probably five or six hundred tapes in there. And he didn't really organize them or catalog them. That wasn't his thing. And nobody else was around to do that either. And neither was it my thing or Dennis's thing. So, they just accumulated in a box. And later, some 15 [00:52:30] years later, they tried to salvage those, but most of them were, you know, but they got some. They've got maybe 20 of them or so from me. Maybe I maybe not that many. I don't know. They got some of them, but I probably produced hundreds of tapes. >> What was Bob like just as a guy, as a person? >> Bob was a real neat guy. He was open-minded. He was smart. He was very organized. He was a [00:53:00] businessman, so he he he knew the plus and minuses, the costs and the benefits of everything he did. He was practical. He wanted to he wanted to he had a couple of businesses that he tried that didn't work out too well. He was going to make like kit homes so poor people could buy a home and it'd be cheap to put it up. You'd have all the materials pre-cut and everything and you know because labor's the big expense, not the materials. and they could get, you know, three or four people put the whole thing together, you know, in like three days. [00:53:30] It was going to be a very inexpensive homes. And so he did that, built one himself just to test it. That was one of the outbuildings he had down there. And he uh that didn't work out. It didn't really turn into a thriving business. He tried it and built a few and and whatever, but it didn't seem to ever catch on. He had a few things like that that he was into that he tried that didn't catch on. But >> was he was he kind? [00:54:00] >> Oh yes. He was very nice. He was very thoughtful. He was um very aware. He got one of the early synthesizers back in the early 70s when that was just a brand new piece of hardware and he he was a sound guy, you know, he was a radio guy. audio was his thing and he had this thing and he was very proud of it and he he was demonstrating all the sounds that he could make and he uh yeah he was a he was a great guy. [00:54:30] He was um you know people were always after [snorts] him to tell him you know how he did things and whatever and he uh realized that you can't tell people that they have to experience it but he would he'd come across like maybe a a uh [clears throat] excuse me like a a barker at the at at the fair and he'd have a twinkle in his eye and a smile on his base cuz he knew people [00:55:00] weren't really going to understand what he was saying. So, he had some fun with with that. But he was a very likable guy and he was willing to share. He really wanted to to learn. He funded this whole lab thing. Dennis and I didn't put a scent in it. Dennis and I came up with the binaural beats that then became the active ingredient in his surfy sound. Put the binaural beats underneath of it and that was a lot more powerful. And he did finally patent that as Hemisync. [00:55:30] >> Yep. >> But it was his he funded the whole thing. We were just there to learn and u he was very business-like for the most part except when it got down to you know consciousness and then he just was an experimentter. He just wanted to learn how did it work. He didn't know whether he could teach us to do anything or not you know but sure come on you know we'll see what happens. And we had this deal that we'd work in the lab and help build equipment and things and and uh get the [00:56:00] lab outfitted better and and uh and then he would come up and give us what he knew and lead us to can and whatever and give us tasks to do and then uh we he'd always invite us down to his house where we'd come down and just kind of talk about it and so on. So that just went on for at least eight years with Dennis and I doing that. And eventually we just couldn't keep up with running that audio harness around the world, you know, and [00:56:30] we had to kind of slip out the back. But we had already learned all the things that we were going to learn. Now it was just to go off on our own and do it. Now Dennis didn't go on and keep up with it. He instead he and his son uh got into martial arts. His He thought it would be good for his son. So he took it too. And then pretty soon he was into it. So he was in which that's kind of a meditation in itself. >> Absolutely true. >> So he took his meditation skills and his auto body skills and he put that toward [00:57:00] that. And of course they found out that he was he learned it faster than the other people because the part that's hard to learn is the soft part, the mind part, right? >> And he picked that up very quickly. So he got he went up through the ranks pretty fast. And anyway, and I just kept trying to understand how does it work? How does it work that way? And the next 33 years, it's me building a model. Well, I know how this works. And I I did research there. If I change this variable, does that make it easier or [00:57:30] harder for me to remote view or heal or whatever I'm doing? So, I change variables, see what effect was. I'm a physicist, you know, I can't help that. I I go into it peace meal and it took me about 33 years before I came up with a a model that worked. I had a I had pieces of the model. I said, "All right, I understand this part and I understand that part, but I don't know what they have to do with each other. And I understand the physical world over here. I'm a physicist, but I don't understand what any of this has to do with that." [00:58:00] So, I guess kept filling in pieces. And the big aha moment came to me when I realized that hey it's all just information you know and then when I got that a lot of pieces started to started to fill in you know and make the connections and I started writing the book took me five years. >> Hold on before you get to the model because we'll go deep on that. I want to know about I think I read this in your book. >> You build a machine that was like 250,000 volts that you just stuck your [00:58:30] head in. [laughter] Yeah, it was it wasn't a machine. Dennis and I didn't have a clue how we were going to study consciousness. Neither did anybody else in the world, >> right? >> And uh so we started trying everything. A guy came by, wrote a book back in the early '7s about pyramids. Oh, you orient a pyramid just right to the side the north and so on. You get inside and now your mind expands. Well, we build a [00:59:00] pyramid. So, you know, we followed his directions. We built a pyramid. We'd get in it and we'd meditate and see if it made any difference and so on. And it didn't really make a whole lot of difference. So, you know, we tried everything. Somebody said it had to do with the pineal gland. >> Mhm. >> Right in here someplace, you know, inside the center of your brain, a pineal gland. Well, we thought, does a pineal gland have any charge on it? We don't know. Does there are there ions in there that