The Basement: Thomas Campbell | NASA Secrets, Binaural Beats, Simulation Theory

[00:36:00] he did very well, you know, running that that business. So he was out of radio at that time. >> So that first night in the lab at at uh with Bob Monroe, what did you expect to happen versus what actually happened? >> Well, the very first time we laid down in our check units, I didn't have any idea what would happen. >> You didn't? >> No. Okay. I didn't have any idea. He just said, "Come on up to the lab and we'll, you know, I'll like give you a [00:36:30] lesson." But what it what happened was he had one this sound that he had had a electrical engineer make into a an electronic box that would produce the sound. And it was kind of surfy, sort of like not big waves, but smaller waves. And you know how it goes. And it was more of a sort of like that. But that was at four [00:37:00] hertz. Ah, it wasn't that was four cycles cuz Bob felt four cycle pulsations just before he went out of body. So that was at four hertz. So basically it was a a relaxing sound and it had a four hertz beat inside the surf. So he played, you know, we had headphones on and he played that sound and he had this thing where it was it was focus 10. That was as far as it went. It was just focus 10. Now there's [00:37:30] 10 and 12 and 15 27. But that was focus 10. And basically what it was was a relaxation. Relax your feet, relax your toes, and work up through your body and relax everything. And then you'd take any troubles or problems or anything that was concerning you and you'd put them in this res this box and you'd lock the box and so they won't bother you anymore. And it was just all through this process. And then you were in 10. And when you're in 10, [00:38:00] he'd basically let you go on your own thing. But he taught us to tell him what we were experiencing because he really couldn't help us if he didn't have any idea of what we were experiencing >> while you were doing it. >> While we were doing it >> and it wouldn't shake your concentration. >> No. Okay. >> So that was just how we trained. So that's that was a that was a rule. So there was this mic hanging from the ceiling just maybe quarter of an inch from our lips because we weren't speaking very loudly but uh it was very [00:38:30] close and we just talked. I said, "Well, you know what we were what we were doing." And he'd give us a few minutes and then he'd ask us questions. Well, what are you experiencing? What are you doing? We'd tell him >> what what happened. >> And he may say he may say, "Well, go back and ask him this or or do that or see if you can't do something else." And we would do that. >> Well, you were in touch with some consciousness. Well, we were just Yeah, we were just um [00:39:00] going with this program, relaxing, get to this point. And both Dennis and I had been meditators some time. You know, for me, it was probably a year or so that I'd been meditating. And Dennis had too. So, we weren't new to that. We just got there. my mind was alert and aware and he'd ask for maybe us to uh some information about something or other or he put a a number on a [00:39:30] blackboard in another room and he'd go stick a number down. He said, "Can you see the number?" You know, "What is it?" And he just do things like that. And we just we do it. We just follow along. >> Did you get the number? Did you Did you get the number right? >> Yeah. We got [snorts] pieces of it and then we got most of it and then we generally got all of it as we got better kind of because there wasn't any real direction. Here's how you go out of body. I don't know if you can tell that to anybody but he just put us in a place [00:40:00] where we were all mind. Let go of the physical body. That was part of the thing. Relax. Let go. Sleep. That was three words that was always at the end of the you know that he relax. Let go. Sleep. [snorts] I can see I can hear his voice in my mind when you do that. >> Yeah. So, uh, he'd say that and and we'd relax and we'd let go, but we weren't gonna sleep because we had to tell him what we were doing. So, you had to stay awake. And Bob always said, "Well, the secret is to go to sleep and stay awake at the same time." That was a line that [00:40:30] Bob always said. >> And it um, you know, he said, "Right, Bob. That's uh, that's a tall order. You know, to do two things that are opposite of each other." But so we'd get used to being in that mental space and doing things and just with practice we learned that well when we were in this kind of a mental state we could read those numbers better than if we weren't and what to do with our mind. So it just kind of left us in a place where we would experiment and change. And pretty soon you know [00:41:00] we're 6 months into a year into this and we were starting to get pretty good at reading numbers and doing that sort of thing. >> Was Dennis also gifted? Dennis, I don't think either one of us were gifted. Maybe I was a little because of my previous experience. But now, yeah, both of us. Matter of fact, Dennis tend to pick it up quicker than I did. >> In the beginning, he was a little faster at getting there than I was because being a physicist, I had to examine everything. >> Yeah. >> You know, I couldn't [laughter] just experience, I had to examine it. That [00:41:30] slowed me down a little bit. But anyway, so it was just him putting us into mind space, letting go of the physical, which we could do. We were just totally mind then. We weren't aware that we were lying in a bed. We didn't feel anything, you know, we didn't hear anything. It was just we were out of this physical reality with our minds. And then with you do that a hundred times. Like I said, 20 hours a week is a lot of times. Yeah. We were going out there almost every night, you know, and we were [00:42:00] spending two or three, four hours in the lab and then we go and talk to him, you know, down at his house and >> we were spending a lot of of time out there. >> Did you guys tell anyone back at work? >> No. >> Okay. >> No, no, it was just Dennis and I. We didn't tell anybody back at work. What about your boss? >> Well, we did. Boss Bill Yos. We, you know, Bill Yos was was involved in it, >> too. He didn't do it, >> but we kept him apprised of it and he was very supportive. So we didn't we we just were in the mental space that was [00:42:30] not physical and we just played with it and interact with it as and eventually over time just got adjusted to it. And then we told Bob said Bob that thing about relax your toes and sayes that's just wasting our time. We don't need to do that. Just cut all that out and get into focus 10 whatever. Let's just get started. Cuz Dennis and I could drop into that state in 30 seconds. You know, it didn't take long. You just lie down, [00:43:00] let your mind go, let go of the physical, you were there. >> You make it sound easy. >> Yeah, it wasn't um you know, it was easy at that point. But now in my own mind, this was a big a big lesson for me was when I was there doing that, I thought what you had to do is just go to sleep and be awake at the same time because that's what Bob told me. So I'd get in a when I'd first lie down, I start like a meditation. I'd say mantra a few times [00:43:30] and I'd kind of relax and let go and I'd get down and it would get deeper and deeper and deeper. You know, it would go down and then when I got in this really deep place, I'd kind of say, "All right, now I've got a mission. I'm supposed to do something." And then my mind would kind of go do the mission. But I always had to get down into the the depths first before I did the mission because I thought that's where you were supposed to be. And I I started to do some experimenting and I said, "Well, what if [00:44:00] I don't go down deep? What if I just lie there, let go of the physical, and then just go do the mission? I don't have to be deep." And I did that and it said, and I thought, well, I was just awake the whole time. I wasn't in any kind of deep meditation. But it worked. It not only worked, it worked better. >> Worked better. >> It worked better. 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You can have a perfectly clear mind, just as clear as we are here talking. and you know your mind's engaged [00:46:00] and you can do just as well if not better because you're not so foggy, right? >> You can think better and think clearer and remember better. And uh I realized that all of that deep deep deep stuff was totally unnecessary. >> Did Bob change his protocol after that? >> No, he didn't change his protocol after that. That was just me and I told him that. >> I said I don't need that upfront stuff. And I found it's not going to sleep and staying awake. It's just opening your mind in a space where it's clear and [00:46:30] you're not in a physical reality anymore. You can think, but you're like all your feeling, all your senses are turned off. You don't hear, you don't smell, you don't feel the bed, you're not aware of anything physical. You're just a piece of mind. And I said, that's all it takes is just be a piece of mind. And from there, you can do all the things that you want us to do without having to go deeper and deeper and deeper, which is the way he was he was teaching us. And I think he figured that [00:47:00] was just me. Most most people, you know, took that deeper step. So, he didn't really change anything. >> What does it feel like to be just a piece of mind? >> You're just awareness. You're aware. You have no body. You're just a, you know, if you got rid of all your senses, somehow you could turn off your sight, your hearing, your smell, your taste, your feel. >> You just flip a flip a switch and turn all that. That's all you'd be would be mind. You just be a piece of mind with