The Basement: Thomas Campbell | NASA Secrets, Binaural Beats, Simulation Theory

[02:21:00] playing the same thing. They're all making choices. When you and Dennis did that, did you expect to have a shared experience? >> We didn't know. Bob just one day we were out at the lab, Bob comes up and he says, "I got I got something I want you to do. I got an experiment I want." Said, "What's that?" He says, "Well, go get out of body." Which at that time getting out of body was, you know, 30 second process. Says, "Go up above the lab, get together, and the important thing is stay together and then do whatever you do or wherever you go." And [02:21:30] I had this mic in front of me. He had a mic in front of him. There's another soundproof booth between us. And um Bob was connected. He could connect to each of us. And he had two cassette tapes running, one for me and one for Dennis on separate cassette tapes. So he could he could record me and Dennis continuously, but he would have, you know, he could he could get in and talk to either one of us separately. >> Sure. But we couldn't talk to each other. Dennis and I were locked out from [02:22:00] each other acoustically. So in any case, yes. So he said, "Go up there and and just have an adventure. Do whatever you do. It doesn't matter, but just stay together." So we both had this intent, stay together. We went up, met each other up above the lab in the air. We said, "All right, let's stay together. What do you want to do?" "Well, I don't know. Let's go." We went, but we stayed together. And later after that was over, that was an hour and a half, 2 hours that we were doing this, which about the standard time we took. >> Two hours. [02:22:30] >> Yeah. >> Just flying around reality. >> Yeah. Flying around reality doing stuff. >> Okay. >> So, we didn't have any particular mission or anything we had to do. But then we we get up at the end of it, it's over. Bob brings us back. We kind of get out and when you get out after two hours of that, you kind of >> matter of fact, sometimes my whole reality would pulse on and off at four hertz. >> I bet. It was like I was in a strobe light. >> Yeah. >> I'm walking down the hallway to the control room where Bob was and the reality is going flash flash flash. But [02:23:00] uh so we get there and Bob says, "Well, do you two think you were together?" And we didn't know about what each other had experienced. And I said, "Well, seemed like it." And Dennis said, "Yeah, it seemed like it to me, too." And Bob said, "Well, listen to this." And he rewound both of our individual tapes, which is everything we said. And he flipped them both on at the same time to synchronize us in time. And there was Dennis and I asking each other's questions, answering the questions. Oh, Dennis, did you see that big building over there? The one with the dome top? [02:23:30] And he said, "You mean the one with the yellow top?" "Yes, that's the one." You know, so we're talking back and forth, obviously seeing the same things, talking with each other, talking with other entities. I mean, we did all kinds of stuff. It's not like we went in a gray cloud and just >> You saw the same entity. You spoke to the same entity. >> Yeah, we we'd speak to the same had the same conversations and and we'd report back what the entity said. We were saying the same. You were hearing the same things. >> Did you wonder why Bob's eyes were so wide when he got in that room? That's crazy. [02:24:00] >> Yeah. He was a little freaked out, too, because that's why he said, "You think you were together?" Well, listen to this. That's the way he said it. You know, like he was flabbergasted as well. >> Did those tapes survive that box? >> They never did. I've asked for them over and over and tmi has gone looking for them, but those did not survive in the box. They were one of hundreds of tapes in that box, but they did not make it. >> That's a world. >> But I did I did a same thing uh what a year or so later when Nancy Lee, [02:24:30] everybody else calls her Scooter for those people who know her and don't know her as Nancy Lee. Her mother's name was Nancy. So call her by her name and differentiate her from my mom. She was Nancy Lee, which is her middle name. Anyway, uh Nancy Lee and I did the same thing. We went out and had a a mutual out of body together, too. So, it's it's not that amazing or that difficult to do. The system just gave us a two-player game. Okay. Now, what's an out of body? [02:25:00] It's a single player game. >> Yeah. >> So, you're getting the data stream. You're getting it from the larger conscious system. And when you look back on it, you'll realize that all those out of bodies actually were teaching you something. There was some reason for it. It was expanding your your view. It's expanding your mind as to the possibilities. There was something there that was teaching you, you know. And a lot of guys, a lot of guys in their 20s and probably up through their middle 30s, they get stuck with fighting. They go out of body and they find evil [02:25:30] beings. and the evil beings that have to be done in and they have martial arts uh you know they fight with these evil beings and they chop them up and they do this and they become you know big super fighters you know they're Bruce Lee on steroids and they they do all this this stuff and they do that for years because that's where their mindset is. Their mindset is the way you fix problems is to defeat you know you destroy the the bad. That's how you do it. And that's kind of it's an immature [02:26:00] viewpoint of the nature of reality and how it works, but that's where a lot of young men are. And they'll tell you, you know, they're out there fighting evil being all the time with their sword of truth, >> right? >> And uh it's perfectly real to them, but eventually you get tired of that. And instead of, you know, cutting this this evil being up into little pieces that you have this big ritual that you go through to make sure it's gone and everything, you find out that you talk to it and you find out [02:26:30] that it's not so evil and whatever. And then you talk to it and pretty soon you've convinced it to stop being evil and to start wanting to move toward love instead of fear. And now you and it go back and it converts its whole village, you know. So that's you imagining other ways besides violence to solve the problem. You're growing up. >> Sure. >> So once you do that, then magically all the evil beings that you have to fight [02:27:00] with your sword of truth disappear and you don't have them anymore. Now you're dealing in different things where you're talking, where you're explaining, where you're you're learning. And as you do that, as you try to explain it to somebody else, you're learning this yourself. So, it's a one-on-one game. The system will give you the data stream that suits where you are because that's what you're going to deal with. That's what you understand. >> Well, when you and Dennis are out and [02:27:30] separate, are you in two different LCS's and or >> No, there's only one LCS. So, the larger conscious system. Yeah. The larger conscious system is just one system. >> Okay. So we can make a oneplayer game. Typical out of- body is just a single player game. It gives you a data stream that will help you learn and maybe where you are learning is that you grab your sword of truth and start hacking away evil because that's where you are in your learning. So that's what it'll give you. It'll give evil beings that need to [02:28:00] be chopped up. And eventually you graduate from that and you stop that. And then suddenly all the evil beings that were there all around you all the time, they disappear. you don't have them anymore. You have other situations that are that are at a little higher level for you to deal with. And anyway, that's a single player game. Now, all if you want to do is just have an adventure, it'll give you an adventure. If you're trying to learn and grow and become higher quality conscious, it'll give you challenges to do where you know [02:28:30] suddenly you'll find yourself and it does it with dreams too. Dreams are often tests. that lets you grow. You know, you'll find yourself um this is one that happened to me. You find yourself you're in a you're in this apartment building and it's a long hallway and a tall building. It's like five stories and you're on like story three somewhere in the middle and you realize a building's on fire. You know, it's 3:00 in the morning. Everybody else is asleep. You realize the building's on fire and right [02:29:00] away you have a choice. Do you run out, go downstairs, save yourself, or do you run upstairs to the fifth floor and try to wake everybody up and then come down to the fourth floor and try to wake everybody up or do you just get out? That's your choice. >> So, see that's the system giving you a moral and ethical choice and what are you going to do with it? So, then you you decide and okay, you go up to the fifth floor and you run down the hallway banging on everybody's door, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire. And then you go [02:29:30] downstairs and then you get, you know, you maybe get stuck and you can't get out this way. You can't get out that way. And now what are you going to do? And then you find some mother and three children over here and ah here's a way out. You didn't know is over there. So you help them get out. And these are just stories. You know, you're getting larger conscious system is giving you the data stream and that's your story. But if you just say, "Oh, save myself the hell with you guys." and you just run down the stairs and go outside. It's gone. [02:30:00] Game's over. You go and do something else. You've already you've already shown where you're, [laughter] you know, where you were as far as growing growing up goes. >> Would your model um track with that being reducing entropy? If you make those good moral choices, you reduce your entropy. Every reality frame that you get in whether it's a nightd dream, a daydream, uh you go to some other reality frame, which is what we were going to talk about, all of them give [02:30:30] you choices in which you can deevolve or evolve. If you make choices out of caring, you make it on the love side, then you evolve. You make it on the the side, you deeolve. So, you're just there trying to make choices. And the choice you make in a dream will level you up or or level you down just as much as the choice you make here awake. >> Sure, >> they're all the same. It's just different environment. So, you get different choices. To be on the third floor of a five-story apartment building that's on fire isn't the kind of choice [02:31:00] you want to duplicate here because it's going to affect a lot of people really badly. You know, it's it's a terrible thing to have happen. So, you're not going to do that. But in a dream or in out of body. Oh yeah. Now that gives you a set of experiences that you can't get or you couldn't get easily here without it doing a lot of damage and hurting a lot of people is collateral damage to your lesson. You know that's not good. >> So in these other realities when you go out of body that's what you're getting. You're getting an opportunity to show [02:31:30] who you are. >> And so free will is required then right? >> Free will is required. Consciousness is awareness with free will with a choice. I just say choice, but that means you have free will. Absolutely required. >> So that's how the that's how the reality works. So an out of body >> isn't such a big deal. You're already out of your body. You're a piece of consciousness. This body's an avatar. It's being rendered and it's rendered according to the rule set. The rule set