The Basement: Thomas Campbell | NASA Secrets, Binaural Beats, Simulation Theory

[00:12:30] >> Well, they overdosed you and had to bring it back. >> They overdosed me a bit because there they were doing it and they were guiding what was going on. I just there I just you know being worked on and I I realized it was something to my benefit that this was kind of part of a graduation present if you like for okay >> having done well in the course. So yes, they did this. I encouraged them a little more, which which they did. And when they did that, it got a little violent and I remember a lot of white [00:13:00] light shooting right out the top of my head and they went into a scramble and they were very excited and upset that anyway. So, but it all worked out and it all they got it all back under control, whatever it was they were supposed to do. And then they uh shut me in. They said, "This will be your last out of body. You you basically what they said is we don't want you to grow up [00:13:30] and be too strange or too weird. We don't want to come back here in 10 or 20 years and find you're in an institution someplace." >> Sure. So, we are going to shut this off so you grow up like any other normal kid. And they did. And I protested. And one of the things that stuck with me is I I said, "Why? What's the purpose? You know, what's the point this whole thing?" Of course, then I'm kind of in that state, more of an adult than a kid. [00:14:00] And uh they looked kind of gazed out like they were looking at something I couldn't see and a purpose. And after that it was like, uh-oh, we're out of here. Slam. You know, they slammed the door and I said, "What? What? Wait, talk to me." Nothing. They left. So, that was the end. Now, I always had these same entities that got me out of body. They were always there. If I had a question, a big question, not a little question, [00:14:30] but I realized I had to make all my own little choices. But if it was a really big understanding of what was going to happen, I could just ask them. I'd get an answer. >> What kind of question? >> Oh, well, one I put in the book that was really uh amusing was I was like maybe 13 or 14 and uh I was sneaking peaks at the centerfold in a news stand and I asked a question. I said, "Am I ever going to a girlfriend or whatever, a woman, you know, that I'm going to live with?" And they said, "Yes, you will. [00:15:00] And she'll look somewhat like that." says, "But I said, 'When?" Now I'm 14. "When? I'm ready. I'm ready. >> I'm ready. When?" >> And they kind of chuckled and said, "In about 35 years." >> Oh. >> And I went, "Oh." to a 14year-old, you know. Well, actually, it's not 35 years, but she, you know, it would be it would be about um [00:15:30] uh I would be about 35 years old. Something in that nature. >> Might as well be forever. >> Yeah. When you're 35, you know, is what I guess what they said. >> It's forever. >> Anyway, yeah, that's forever. >> I'm an old man at 35. No, you know, and anyway, so I asked that question another time and they basically laugh at me and and give me a similar answer and they told me says, "Well, the this one that you're going to marry right now is only two years old." I was 14. [00:16:00] A two-year-old, come on. You know, I'm going to be a monk, you know, forever. But indeed, I did meet a woman and she she did ring bells and I was that age and she was, you know, she was 12 years >> younger than me and it all worked out just exactly. Uh >> Sure. When you're 35 that sounds fine. >> Yeah. >> So that was exactly the, you know, it all worked out to to uh >> Did you marry that one? >> I did. How did that weird six, [00:16:30] sevenyear-old become a wrestling captain, fraternity president, chief justice of the school >> court? >> I mean, you went the other half of the brain all the way over. >> Yeah. So, I went from that kid to knowing I had to get my left brain developed that I had things to do and that was a requirement and I did. So, I struggled with math. I [00:17:00] struggled with all the left brain kinds of things. >> You struggled with math. >> I struggled with math until I finally understood that it's just logic. >> It's just a set of rules. I was trying to figure out what did it mean? Why was it like that? And those were all impossible questions. Doesn't matter. This is just a set of rules. follow the rules guy and stop trying to dig out the deeper meaning of of what the math says. [00:17:30] It's just a rule set. And once I learned that it was, oh, okay, I've been beating on a door that wouldn't open. So then I got better at it and I got pretty good at math. time I got into graduate school working on, you know, masters and then a PhD, I I got real good at math and I took a job that was very mathy, you know, once I got out of of school. So, >> is this the military? >> Yeah, that was with Army technical intelligence. >> Technical intelligence. What does technical intelligence do? It technical [00:18:00] intelligence looks at foreign of course in those days that would have been Russian for the most part >> equipment and figures out two things. One, what is what is that equipment's Achilles heel? If we go up against that, how do we defeat it? What's what is it that that we can do to get rid of it? And the second thing is does it have any technology that we don't have that we [00:18:30] could learn from? You know that we could collect and and learn things if it does something that we don't know how to do. >> Did you find any of that? >> No. Not this technology they had that we didn't. No. >> Okay. >> We didn't find any of that. We tended to be ahead in the technology. Um, you know, I was looking at tubes and I was looking at the technology electronic systems in the, you know, in the 70s that were field and they were still tube based >> really. [00:19:00] >> Yeah. They weren't solid state yet, but that had a good sign and a bad side. Solid state's very fragile to an EMP >> and tubes are not >> correct. On the other hand, tubes wear out and need a lot of maintenance and sometimes they get a little flaky and you know they're not as reliable or as fast. They're slow also. So, it had an upside and a downside, but the upside was the MP didn't bother it too much. >> When you took up meditation, it wasn't be for some spiritual reason. It was to [00:19:30] get by less sleep. Is [laughter] that what it was? >> That was it. >> Bio what it was. Yeah. I was in graduate school. Yeah. And uh I was working in experimental nuclear, low energy experimental nuclear. We had a big vandagramraph uh particle well was it was a generator that created this really huge electric field and you could use that electric field to accelerate particles with charges. And so it would it was what maybe four stories tall >> but then not a loop accelerator. [00:20:00] >> Yeah, it's a No, it wasn't one of those. Uh it was this thing was tall >> and it created very high static electricity charges which then you have this huge positive charge up here and if you introduce electron it would accelerate it and accelerate it called low energy wasn't the high energy the big cyclrons you're talking about they're high energy. >> Yes. >> So this was a lower energy but lower energy did different physics lower energy you put a particle in a nucleus and the nucleus would capture it [00:20:30] >> and change. When you do when you do um high energy physics, you hit it blow everything apart. This would be to let a and capture >> an extra well then it would it would produce a usually a radioactive element. You know, you have a lot of elements that if you add little parts to them, they make isotopes and other things and then they usually decay. Yeah. So you that was the kind of physics that I was doing low energy physics and it was an [00:21:00] old vandagramraphph accelerator and when that thing was running you took data you didn't say well that's enough for today we'll come back and do some more tomorrow when that thing was running you took data and if that meant you had to stay up two three days in a row well you beg for help from the other graduate students and they usually would help some but you had it was your experiment you had to kind of be there Most of the time you could lie down on you know catch a nap here and there but so I was [00:21:30] going into the physics department there's this big bulletin board thing was set up and it said uh transcendental meditation and it gave all this thing lower your blood pressure da da da da da da da you know relaxation and so on and on the bottom line was get by with less sleep I said good >> that's what I need >> I need that so I I took my my banana and and uh and my $25. It was special for students in those days. [00:22:00] >> And I learned how to meditate and I was a natural at it. First time I tried. First time they said, "Go out and sit down, say your mantra for 15 minutes and then go." And after that, you know, twice a day and they had this thing you're supposed to do. Well, I went out and sat down for my first 15 minutes and it was like 45 minutes, an hour later. >> Wow. >> I came too. Oh, where have I been? >> That almost never happens. >> Yeah. And I thought it was and I looked around and all the people that were there when I was there were all gone. [laughter] So I asked somebody, you know, uh, what [00:22:30] time is it? And didn't wear a watch. What time is it? And they told me and I'd been there for close to an hour and just lost it completely. It just was an hour out of my life. It disappeared. >> What did it feel like when you were in in the state? Well, I got into it so deeply that for at first I got into it really deeply and just stayed there. Unconscious. >> Unconscious. >> Well, I was conscious in here. Yeah. >> But not in the physical world. >> What was going on inside? >> Inside? Well, one, I was relaxing. I was [00:23:00] just kind of looking around and seeing. And there was some interesting things there, but it was nothing that really grabbed my attention. I was just experiencing being not in the physical. I was outside the physical reality. I didn't hear anybody. People were getting up, talking, going, everything. And I had no rec, you know, I had no memory of any of it. Within probably 30 seconds of sitting down and saying my manager, I disappeared. And when I [00:23:30] finally woke up, I woke up because I thought, "Oh, that probably 15 minutes is over. I better I better get on my Hey, and I forced myself to wake up, found out it was 45 minutes or an hour had gone by. I said, "Wow, that was weird." And then you go to these little for the next week, you meet or next two weeks, you meet every other day or something with an instructor that helps you get over the humps of learning the meditation. And that was the same. I go [00:24:00] and I sit down and they say, "All right, do your meditation." And I would drop off. But now my mind was alert. I was doing things >> and I was getting pictures and I was getting visions and I was getting stuff at that point, but I was still dropping out. And I remember one of them I was sitting there in the chair and I started to fall out of my chair. And about halfway into the fall, I woke up stuck out a fist and grabbed hold of an arm to keep from falling out of the chair. And I had just lost it. And instead of [00:24:30] sitting down on a pedal on the ground like I was the first time, I was up in a up in a chair. So I was uh I was very impressed with the meditation. It seemed to uh really connect to me and me to it. And then the biggest moment for me was I was sitting there in a meditation state. This was like 3 months later. I'm sitting in a meditation state and I'm thinking about my my software, the code that I'm writing. >> Yeah.