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[11.4-19.6] How did you start with remote viewing, Mr. Atwater?
[19.6-28.2] I got started with remote viewing in the Army, but the question then becomes,
[28.2-32.2] well, how did I get into the Army situation to begin with?
[32.2-40.2] When I graduated from school, from college, it was time for me to get a job, to make a career.
[40.2-49.2] But during this day and age, in the late 1960s, it was the time of the Cold War and time of Vietnam,
[49.2-58.2] and I couldn't go out and get a job that would serve to a career because it was possible that I would be drafted by the Army.
[58.2-65.2] So I would go from job to job and fill out paperwork, and then they would ask me,
[65.2-72.2] well, what is your military service status? And I'd say, well, I'm eligible for the draft, and I did not get the job.
[72.2-77.2] So I had to find some way to resolve this issue.
[77.2-86.2] How was I going to start off as a young man and develop a career if this was always hanging over my head, so to speak?
[86.2-98.6] So I decided that a good thing to do would be to join the Army and get this Army problem, this conscription problem, over with.
[98.6-113.6] So in 1968, in February of 1968, I joined the Army and became an intelligence specialist, specialist in counterintelligence.
[113.6-123.3] And had several assignments around the world, went to South America, went to several interesting schools,
[123.3-134.3] learning how to find bugging devices, learning how to pick locks, those kinds of things, so that I could advise other commanders,
[134.3-147.4] people who had facilities of the U.S., advise them on the secure procedures that they should be practicing.
[147.4-160.4] And along came the time of 1976 and 1977, about nine years after I joined, when I discovered a book called Mind Reach.
[160.4-170.4] It was written by Dr. Pudoff and Russell Targ. And in this book, they talked about this phenomenon which we now call remote viewing.
[170.4-180.9] They thought at the time that was a very scientific way to express something that we know is clairvoyance or telepathy,
[180.9-187.9] but they didn't want to use those words. They didn't think they could get any government funding if they were to study those words.
[187.9-195.0] They used remote viewing as their title for this phenomenon.
[195.0-206.4] And when I read this book, I was looking at it through the concept of being a counterintelligence specialist.
[206.4-214.4] And I have been telling people how to be very careful with their documents, how to perform in a secure manner,
[214.4-226.4] not to say important things on the telephone and so forth. And yet, if this is true, if what Dr. Pudoff and Russell Targ say is true about this thing called remote viewing,
[226.4-238.0] then what I have been telling these people just won't do it. But I didn't know. I didn't know if this was true or what they were doing.
[238.0-243.0] Were they themselves working for the government or is this something they discovered in their laboratory?
[243.0-257.0] So I asked to get a job in the Army where I could do something about this remote viewing from an intelligence standpoint.
[257.0-264.6] My superiors at the time did not know where this might be happening in the Army,
[264.6-288.4] but I was reassigned to a very special investigative unit that did investigations on security and did assessments on vulnerability of different organizations to the various intelligence threats.
[288.4-297.4] For example, if at the time the Soviet Union in the Cold War was the big threat or enemy of the United States,
[297.4-304.4] and if they were to fly satellites over our installations, what would they see? What would they learn?
[304.4-309.4] If they were to intercept our telephone calls and our radio conversations, what would they learn?
[309.4-319.6] In order to make an assessment of this, we on this special team would do those things.
[319.6-326.6] We would use United States satellites and we would intercept their telephone calls and so forth
[326.6-335.7] so that we could understand what kind of information would the enemy learn if they used these platforms.
[366.6-373.6] That was a very interesting question question because I was the only one on the team that knew anything.
[373.6-380.6] I had discovered some classified documents where the government had been investigating remote viewing.
[380.6-393.6] I had read the work of Dr. Put off and Russell T. and so I told the man that I could not address his question at that time.
[393.6-399.6] But that I would get back to him at a later date and explain the problems of remote viewing.
[399.6-414.0] So this then in 1977 was my first entry into what would be a 10 year career with the government in remote viewing.
[414.0-424.7] May I ask you, who was the best remote viewer that you had?
[424.7-439.7] We had to recruit remote viewers to be in this organization, this military unit, a detachment to do this remote viewing.
[439.7-449.7] Much like the concept of flying satellites over a facility, a military base or intercepting their phone calls,
[449.7-456.7] we needed to have people trained to do remote viewing that would do that same kind of investigation.
[456.7-468.7] Depending upon what they were able to discover with remote viewing, then we could inform the commander what the threat and vulnerability was against this collection technique.
[468.7-478.2] So in recruiting different military personnel, officers, enlisted people, civilians that worked for the government,
[478.2-485.2] we set out to interview different people around the greater Washington DC area.
[485.2-491.4] There were thousands of military and civilian people there so it was a good place to start.
[491.4-503.4] And we eventually recruited 20 people to join this military unit to do this thing called remote viewing.
[503.4-514.4] And much like forming a sports team, people would join and have certain talents and then they didn't stay with the team,
[514.4-517.4] they would go on to other jobs and new people would come in.
[517.4-524.4] But you hope of course that the very best people that you find stay there and work with you.
[524.4-535.4] And I think probably if I was to name one person that I have had experience with, that would be Joe McMonigle, who even today continues his remote viewing.
[535.4-551.0] And can you make one or two examples of a case of remote viewing so that we are able to understand how it works?
[552.0-570.6] Alright. In orienting or teaching someone, introducing someone to the idea of remote viewing, it's very much like the childhood game of hide and seek.
[570.6-579.6] Except that you don't go looking around with these physical eyes, you go looking with your mind with this remote viewing.
[580.6-598.6] At Stanford Research Institute, Russell Targ would interview a prospective remote viewer, they would sit in a room with paper and pencil and at a designated time, for example, 10 o'clock in the morning,
[598.6-607.6] they were to describe the hidden location of where Dr. Putoff had gone.
[607.6-618.6] There was a series of randomly assigned locations and Dr. Putoff would go that morning to one of these unknown but randomly assigned locations.
[618.6-637.2] Then at a designated time, the prospective remote viewer, let's say, Joe McMonigle, when you began an orientation or training,
[638.2-644.2] there was a special kind of an exercise which we called an outbounder exercise.
[644.2-649.2] This was very much like the childhood game to hide and seek.
[649.2-659.2] A outbounder was a person in the experiment that would go to a location, a randomly selected location.
[660.2-677.2] The other part of the experiment was to remain in a room with Russell Targ, who would interview the prospective remote viewer about the location of what was the outbounder.
[678.3-698.3] Neither Russell Targ nor this person had any overt knowledge of this special location because the task was to describe by mental means alone by this remote viewing technique where this person was.
[700.1-717.1] The judgment of how accurate the perceptions were was done by comparing the descriptions of the actual location where the person went with five other randomly selected locations.
[718.1-730.1] Does the transcript do the descriptions of the remote viewer match this location, the actual location, better than they match all the others?
[730.1-737.1] An independent person would have to judge. Let's see. It matches this a little bit, matches this a little bit, matches this.
[738.1-743.1] Hopefully, if it is a good remote viewing, it matches this one better.
[743.1-756.2] If you do then a series of these experiments, you begin to build up a statistical probability validating the person's ability to describe the location.
[757.7-765.7] This was the first concept that someone discovered within themselves, this ability to remote view.
[765.7-780.7] It extended in the military to looking at foreign locations and describing things going on at foreign locations that could not be learned by other methods.
[780.7-790.7] It could not be learned by satellites, it could not be learned by telephone intercepts, radio intercepts, or by some human intelligence.
[790.7-792.7] They would use remote viewing.
[792.7-822.4] As an example, I think the Shipyard 402 or the discovery of the Beaver Tail submarine being constructed by the Soviets was probably the most commonly known example in which Joe McMonagle, the remote viewer, and myself as an interviewer were given the assignment to describe a location at a site.
[823.4-836.4] This was a specific place. All I had was a closed envelope. I did not have any photographs as the interviewer, but we had a numeric designation.
[836.4-842.4] This is a target number 357 or whatever the numeric designation was.
[842.4-856.4] It was important that the remote viewer have some idea that there was something important to describe. We call this important thing number 357 or whatever it was.
[857.6-874.7] The official practice in the office was for me to start with Joe McMonagle and work with him for perhaps a half an hour or 45 minutes until he came up with a composite description of something.
[874.7-884.8] Was it a building? Was it a desert area? Was it an airplane? What was it that he described in this initial session?
[884.8-898.8] His initial work said that this was a very cold area, that it was an industrial area with smokestacks and large buildings and so forth.