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could chalk it up to the fact that this stuff existed for decades actively um and was actively concealed you know you you can see the paper trail now of how this was actively concealed for for decades so remember him saying too like when he in his uh will he's gonna release some some bombs about Mars and Sh hopefully I'm not getting him in trouble but it's like no and you hear his story and how he's worked for five separate presidents and
how he's had his life threatened and how you know the the stress of a job like that and you have to take the stories from from the source and and I feel like he's a valid source and and I you know not to say that there aren't necessarily ulterior motives or that there wasn't money involved or ego I mean I'm not people could always say yeah well he pursued it for this when you sat there like we did for three hours and listen
to him talk and then you you come out of it with his whole goal now is to help missing children and kidnap children and to help and to you know like he's and the end of his whole conversation was basically that it all comes down to to love and that we're magical I remember him saying that you know we really are magical and now I think at at this his age he's really trying to do what what Robin Monroe did too which is just yeah
we need to share this information we need to put it in a context where it's not this once again woo woo crazy [ __ ] that just people like you and I are going to to go to Monroe because well yeah they're out there anyway where it's like no this this stuff really has real life applications um yeah and then I know you know what going on another tangent here but you you recently and I mentioned how you like the third or
fourth part person that brought up the uh t t tathy tapes excuse me um I think that's another group of people that are proving too that Altered States Of Consciousness or elevated States Of Consciousness or or that we have more than our normal five senses um but I take them as a group of people also what is their motivation for sharing their story what is why are they doing this uh and I find that it that it seems to be
authentic and true and real and um there's no way that thousands and thousands of data points from all of these different people whether you know remote viewing or some of these other extra sensory abilities that some of them are real and i' I've experienced it and I'm sure you know I I don't know how far you got into your experience there when you kind of left your your body but like I saw it in your eyes like you know it's like you
you you know when shit's real and uh uh I you know that that's why I'm on this podcast kind of kick sharing my story because I I don't need to convince the the Psychonauts and the whatever the the midlife crisis guys that are going through some of the drama that I've had it's more the the mem and pepe or the aunts and uncles or the people that wouldn't even think about using plant-based medicines to share the story to be like no listen this this is this
is real uh and there's a lot of different data point or a lot of different um ways that people are coming to the same conclusion and I think as importantly the quantum physicist the you know the Donald Hoffman's the whatever like I you have all these people on your show that are that are kind of saying like yeah Consciousness is something greater than and more than what yeah fundamental phys physical body is and yeah yeah man and then
psychedelics now Taps into that whether it be a technology like gamore says or removes the veil or you know a right that's where I'm at right now I was trying to figure out how much information I can gather from this new yeah you presented me with so many uh Avenues to follow up on here um but okay two things jump to mind right away one is like whenever I'm confronted with a skeptic right like a lot of what we were just talking about could be construed as
like evidence to convince someone so first of all if I'm confronted by a skeptic I I don't feel the need to convince anyone of anything I might give them okay if you really want to know the answer to your question like I just did this in the comments to somebody like yesterday um I gave him a list of like half a dozen names off the top of my head to look into if they really want to look at the scientific evidence for S
phenomena near-death experiences um uh outof body stuff what whatever so there's that but the beauty of all of this stuff is that you don't really need that kind of evidence you can just do the [ __ ] you can just experience the stuff for yourself and that's one of the reasons I think early on was just so and still am but early on especially was so captivated by people like Terrence McKenna by people who are just
like try it if you think I'm [ __ ] and then try just stop exactly just do this just do this and then let's talk and again it's not like everybody needs to do to to do DMT or psychedelic or whatever that you don't that is one great way to catalyze a kind of understanding to enter layers of experience that are not hypothetical they're not intellectual they are direct all encompassing captivating kinds of knowing that takes you into the mystery
and takes you into places where your language will fail your Concepts will fail you'll bump up against every kind of conceptual limit that you can conceive of because it's so beyond concept and language and and easy boundaries that you'll you'll come out of it like in some ways a lot less sure than you were before but it's like a kind of less sure that's reassuring in some kind of way because it's like okay I thought
this was it I thought this was everything and it's not I I don't I don't necessarily know but I know that there's more going on there's a lot more going on more to Consciousness more to perception more to the world and if you're ready for that you're and you're stable enough to handle that like then then I you know I can probably sign off on experimentation I I'll I'll say that but then going into the uh going back to the CIA document
because I I could do multiple pieces of content on this thing it's so interesting it's such a fabulous relic of what I was talking about before the fact that there was this like if if this there's no way this thing exists in a vacuum that that's one of the points like like what I was saying before is that it is just part of one of the most well-known parts of but it's only part of this multi-decade thing that was going on in
clandestine us tax funded organizations that clearly must have had some kind of payoff some kind of efficacy because it lasted for so long so so that in and of itself is mind-blowingly interesting because there's a million questions that fra where's that program right now definitely didn't just go away is it still going on what did they learn about Consciousness like how did they suppress that information from getting out were
was there you know active interference to try to you know submarine people who are trying to spread these secrets about Consciousness and about what's possible with Consciousness and yeah man it's just like that guy McDonald who wrote the paper I want to know more about this guy because clearly he was a Seeker he's the like the perfect kind of person I would love to do a podcast with because he's coming at it from a philosophical point
of view again the author of this Gateway report who clearly took part in it and was convinced of its efficacy to some degree like to your point he's ref ing philosophy he's referencing cuttingedge scientific ideas um you know um the philosophy of Consciousness all of this stuff and he's creating this way of understanding this this Ecology of ideas that makes it make sense in a very plausible way that is both scientific
and practical and that takes a certain kind of knowledge and implies a certain like breath of experience that really implies that this dude is a Seeker like he he knows what he's doing and he's like selected to to go you know study this thing and and write this insane document that exists now and I think he knew that he had had to present it very you know not lightly but frame it in that context I think he knew that this was probably going to like end his
career or that most people would look at him and be like this is you know not what probably they were expecting but that the take-home message is no this is way bigger then this this has greater implications then this is kind of like you know we we'll bring up existential and ontological questions by of people similar to like kind of the not panic but the whole kind of like alien disclosure type thing where it's like
well what ises what does that mean uh if what we're saying is true and and you and I are continually saying that it's true we've experienced it uh if that is indeed the case like what that has such profound impacts on on everything yeah uh to but the time has come I mean what like um to give people an idea of the kind of thing we're talking about that you'll get in this document I'm just remembering now that I sent you and I have it here if you need me
reference some of that yeah and if there's any did you did you highlight anything specific I did well just because the the the terminology that they use it's just like they know how how insane that like what this what they're saying is and know it's crazy yeah okay the the thing that I sent you was a blurb about Focus 21 which I think is a little bit out of context for people that don't know th though there now I'm remembering why I sent this to
you but yeah this might be this might be a little bit we might need to explain some things before getting into this because it's just um yeah why don't you share something if there's if there's something that jumps out at you that you highlighted in the report is is so one I guess the fact that be intellectually prepared to react with aliens in essence is is what they're saying right yeah right yeah I mean that that's obviously a big one um
and then you know right right at the front so right before he even gets into it and this is kind of like his last one of his last points in that opening paragraph just saying that you know I felt it necessary after completing the analysis to point out that the resulting conclusions do not in any way violence to the fundamental mainstream uh either Eastern or Western belief systems unless that point is clearly established the
danger exists that some people reject the whole concept of the Gateway experience and the mistaken belief that it contradicts and is therefore alien to all that we hold to be right and true um and I you know to your point that's why I think he framed it with a lot of this this extra stuff uh with the the you know the quantum physics stuff the toroidal field stuff um I think he went to Great Lengths to say that he know he
he wasn't just um hypnotized or he didn't go there and get you know he wasn't fed the Kool-Aid so to speak and it's like oh yeah you're just saying it because they got they got to you as well it's like no I think he took really the time to outline that uh you know take take it serious have you by chance heard of Ito bentov he's he's mentioned in here I yeah I knew that he had some kind of connection to Gateway and Monroe but for
the third ey drops book club right now we're reading his book stalking the wild pendulum and this guy Ito bov is like this polymath renaissance man who I'm guessing was some kind of like maybe adviser to to him or teacher of McDonald who wrote who wrote this report and he is Fant fically interesting in that he I think he like dropped out of school like I don't think he graduated high school but he is like this Super Genius guy who