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of the libraries that I have out here in the little country, Podunk area, I live in it, and gave them
letters so that they could go and check the books I had checked out with, which weren't many.
And so they did and, and they didn't, they didn't say anything. And then they left and so I got
an angry about it. And so what I did is I thought about this, this object that I had drawn and,
and I thought, there's some things I can do to improve it. I can like, put it on light fiber, and
speeded up. And, and I can use some better relays there faster and carried more energy. And
so I went to the local electrical company and got the part numbers for these, these solenoid
kind of switches that handle the big, you know, the huge groups of lights they have over
ballparks. Well, when you turn these big things on they, they have to have a special switch.
Otherwise, it would take out all the power in the city, you know when it blows a fuse. So I use
those switches. And then I used those switches, interface with some light fiber. And some
other things that I got from RadioShack part numbers I got from RadioShack and re redesign
this entire object. Only when I put it together in a drawing format. I made it about a third the
size of the one that they had looked at, it wanted me to look at and I put that rolled that up, put
it in a tube and sent that to him. And a couple guys showed up like within a day and came in
and took all my writing material, all my paper. Anything that I might have written through, you
know, the pen, pencil or pinpoint would have pressed through. They tore the top off the
drawing table, the letter top and took everything and I had to sign a nondisclosure agreement
or speaking D detail about the device that I had drawn. I said, I guess you guys believe me
now. And they went away and happy that I'm never going to talk about it. Anyway, like, that's
when you're talking about right.
Susan Smily 50:17
That's what I'm talking about pizza.
50:19
Yeah. That's amazing.
Susan Smily 50:21
Oh,
Paul Citarella 50:23
yeah, there's a lot of great questions. Let's see, one of the questions that actually that I have
is, What how do you find it you know, the difference between doing this kind of work from an
OBE state versus remote viewing state, when you go from I think you've talked about this a
little bit, it seems like if you're going fully out of body are you able to get more details because
you're you're actually there seeing an object instead of just getting, you know, impressions and
details.
50:49
You can get, you can get what you can see or smell, or hear. But you can't get anything
beyond that, in the out of body condition. You can't like you can't get what somebody's
thinking. But with remote viewing, you can, remote viewing is much more open in terms of how
much information you can derive from something, it's a lot faster to you get in remote viewing.
When you're describing the target, it's instantaneous. You don't have to hunt for intellect pops
right in your head. Anyhow, out of body condition, you have to hunt for whatever it is you're
looking for. And there's a lot of distractions. And the out of body state, you can be moving
towards the target you're after. And pass by a, let's say really exotic chandelier hanging off a
ceiling or something and it just catches your attention. And that's out of body that's blown.
Because you're going to spend a lot of time playing with the chandelier. If you get my drift, you
know, the same thing happens, you might be distracted by a star, and one that you want to
suddenly want to see it, he got to see it, you know, and you wind up in the star, it it's very
distracting the out of body condition because you're not used to the narrowness of things. Or
the direct and the being able to directly go to something that that amazes you or catches your
your interest. So to end that, and if you're looking for a particular building, and they take many
out of bodies to find it. And so the work you have to do is enormous. And then when you get to
the target area, you may have just maybe I went to a table and got the wrong thing on the
table. And I gotta go back again and do it in every time you do the out of body, it's it's difficult.
Because you have to go through the process of getting out of body. Sometimes it works. And
sometimes it doesn't, probably doesn't More times than not. But the remote viewing is always
instantaneous, you have access to everything, everything's interconnected. You can jump from
the actual target and a remote viewing to who made it. It could have been somebody halfway
across the world. And you instantly jump to whatever they look like that kind of thing.
Susan Smily 53:40
We have a couple of questions related to Mars, and one is Has any of your earlier work on
remote viewing portions of Mars impacted modern day revisits of overhead imagery or site
selection for future rover missions and or on planet exploration projects.
54:03
The only the only thing that I know about that is the areas in which the target slide that I did the
to land something in those areas is extremely hazardous because of the chunks of rocks and
the many, many different things there that are hazardous to landing something. And so their
preference is not to go to these places because their lander won't make it. In other words,
they'll spend hundreds of millions of dollars building a lander and it just won't reach the place.
It'll arrive in pieces literally. So they're afraid to go to the places that they're interested in even
in many cases, they it's they have committees that make the decisions based on the capability,
the science capability of landing something on Mars, and they decide the most most preferable
of the locations from just from a landing standpoint, versus a scientific collection standpoint. So
that's the only thing, the only answer I've ever gotten, which may or may not mean they'll ever
land something there, you'd think they'd be interested in much of these things, many of these
things, and I think they are. Even in JPL. If you go into JPL and, and give them some of the G,
the geo locations for these, some of these objects, they'll look at you and go, Oh, that's the old
city on Mars. And they'll turn around and give you the prints for it. You know, so they're even
calling it deal city. So you know, I think they're being truthful when they say there's a difficulty
in landing now. That may have a heavy impact on whether they go there or not.
Paul Citarella 56:13
Thank you. There's another one here asking about tips for gathering information when you
have no monitor, and then potentially using other states like like, trance states, or dreams, or
other states for getting information by yourself.
56:30
Oh, we actually did experiments at Stanford. And we use the sleep labs even Lubbers asleep
Lab at Stanford to do collection in a dream state. Because when you're in a dream state, when
you enter Delta, when you enter the Delta State or the the actual dream state, they know and
can measure when that happens, they can see sleep spindles that begin to occur. And then
they see the delta waves, and they know that you're in deep, deep Delta, and you're going into
a dream state or you're in a dream state. At the same time, there's a there, you can learn to
actually identify when you are dreaming, and you're wide awake. So you're awake in a dream
state. And you can recognize when you are. And if you are good at that, you can actually
signal them that you're in the dream state and awake and aware. And the way you do that is
you stand perfectly still in your dream. Like if you're riding a bike, you get off the bike, and you
stand perfectly straight up and down and you turn left and right over your shoulder like this four
times very rapidly. And what happens is on the one of the the, one of the Delta roles, you'll see
on the on the graph, you'll see little spikes appear for little spikes. And that's because the
muscle configurations in the eyes, tells them that you are awake and aware you're in the
dream state. And they can then produce a target for you. And you can go to the target and
work to target. It's hard to describe how you get to the target, though. Because if you're in the
dream state, and you're riding a bicycle down a gravel road, you haven't got a clue where that
lab is or where the target is, or any of that. So what I decided, what I would do is I would just
close my eyes in the dream, and click my heels together and open my eyes and I'd be standing
in the in the target. And that worked. So I would spend time walking around in the target and
then draw it as accurately as I could. And I did that seven times, and many of them were
exactly exactly drawn the way the target was. What happens the difficulty is that maintaining
the sleep, and doing that is difficult. After a while when you've done two or three of these back
to back, you start having what's called a false awakening. That's where you give the signal the
second time and they're supposed to come and wake you up. And they do they wake you up
and you draw the target and you talk into a tape machine and describe it and all these things
and then suddenly you realize when the color of the walls keeps changing that you're still in the
dream state. That's called a false awakening. Well, I've been in those experiments I went
through a false awakening, I think seven or eight times where I couldn't wake myself up, or
have them wake me up. And I started to panic. Because you start thinking This must be what
it's like to be crazy or insane, is you live in an altered state all your time, and nobody else
understands what that is. But eventually I did awake. And it, we discussed it. And what we
can't do was an agreement that we wouldn't do the experiments anymore to that degree
because somebody without a strong a strong understanding for their mental state, I would
probably have a psychotic break. And that would be terrible to have happen to somebody. So
we stopped doing experiments, but they were very accurate from a remote viewing standpoint.
Paul Citarella 1:00:51
Wow, that's amazing. Yeah, I'm remote. Sorry, I'm a lucid dreamer myself. So I've had that
experience or have actually been to a physical place and then looked it up. And it's exactly as
well. So it's, it's incredible, that you can use that state in that way. But I also have a false
awakening. And that does get you know, that can get can get a little unraveling. You know if it
happens several times in a row. Yeah, yep. Anything else? Susan? Up? You're on mute.
1:01:19
You're on mute. Susan. Isn't? Yeah, you're muted.
Susan Smily 1:01:22
Unmute. There we go. Um, when you describe the state of imagination of what you see in your
head, or sorry, probably would you describe it as similar to what you see in your mind's eye?
When reading a book? Do you feel like this mental state can be applied to other capacities,
besides our V such as drive the process of search rescue from another state as an amplifier
for what you're studying?
1:01:52
But you're interested the question, but it it depends on how good the remote viewing is. One of
the problems is a anybody can just imagine something. But the imagine the imagination
doesn't necessarily produce an accurate picture of the target. Sometimes people imagine
something, and they imagine something entirely different than what the target actually is. That
is actually the case for most people. We have done numerous studies on who, who produces
accurate remote feelings as compared to non accurate remote viewings. And it looks like about
1% of any population can produce extremely good remote viewing. It just doesn't get any
better than that. 1%. So because you want to be remote viewer doesn't necessarily mean you
will be. But that's not a bad thing. Because disciplining the mind is still of great benefit. It's