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[19.9-29.9] and Welcome to Healing Insights. My name is Susie Daggett and I bring this show every week to help us explore the connection between the mind, the body and the spirit.
[29.9-35.9] There are many, many people in our community that are starting to bring these three elements together for their own healing.
[35.9-40.9] And every week I like to bring a different practitioner on for you to understand more of what's going on.
[41.9-52.9] Well, today I have somebody really special who's not just a local national but an international man who has been involved in many, many levels of expanding consciousness.
[52.9-62.9] I'd like to suggest that you watch very carefully as I talk to Skip Atwater, who is the Director of Research at the Monroe Institute.
[62.9-65.9] So I'd like to introduce Skip. Welcome, Skip.
[65.9-67.9] Hi. Nice to be here, Susie.
[67.9-78.9] Yes. Well, thank you very much. I know you're here on family, getting to know your family a little better. Your long-lost uncle, which is wonderful, Herb Demick.
[78.9-80.9] Well, he isn't so lost, though.
[80.9-86.9] No, he is not at all lost. Many people in the community know Herb. He's been around for a long time and has many books.
[86.9-90.9] And you're here to visit him and rekindle a connection.
[90.9-92.9] And to visit with you.
[92.9-100.9] Yes, and to do an event with New Frontiers and Gold Country Ions. But let's first start about Monroe Institute.
[100.9-110.9] This is a place that some people know about and other people don't, but it is one of the leading institutes for helping people expand consciousness.
[110.9-114.9] And since you're the Director of Research, you're going to explain this to our audience.
[115.9-125.9] The founder of the Monroe Institute was a man named Robert Monroe. And Robert Monroe had his initial career in New York.
[125.9-135.9] He was in the hey days of radio back in the 1950s. Perhaps you're the radio program, The Shadow.
[135.9-140.9] What evil lurks in the hearts and minds of evil men. Only The Shadow knows.
[140.9-141.9] Was he The Shadow?
[141.9-142.9] No.
[143.9-144.9] Oh my gosh.
[144.9-145.9] He was The Shadow now.
[145.9-163.9] He was The Producer. He produced that show. So he was a vice presidential level of these highfalutin radio production companies, made his millions in New York, and then became interested in sleep learning in the late 50s and early 60s.
[163.9-166.9] She remembered sleep learning.
[166.9-169.9] And was that, now tell me what, there's another word for that.
[170.9-176.9] Well, in that day and age, it was the American dream to get something for nothing, right? The 1950s.
[176.9-180.9] So you could put your algebra book under your bed and maybe wake up and know algebra.
[180.9-187.9] That's where I was going. I knew that there was that connection. That you could put a tape under your pillow and be smarter in the morning.
[187.9-196.9] Well, actually, Edgar Cayce was the one who said that that was a way to focus your intent. Learn is to make that part of your dream life.
[197.9-208.9] But this form of dream or sleep learning that Mr. Monroe was interested in had to do with the idea of playing the old 33 RPM records.
[208.9-214.9] And on the records, you might have a foreign language or you might have your multiplications tables.
[214.9-221.9] And the idea was that you would play this while you slept at night and you'd wake up knowing a foreign language or knowing your math tables.
[221.9-223.9] Is that also called subliminal?
[224.9-240.0] It's a different science altogether. Now, the scientists and the Federal Trade Commission became interested in all these wild claims about being able to do sleep learning and get something for nothing.
[240.0-253.0] And what they found out was that sure enough, in the early stages of sleep, stage one, stage two sleep, they could the next day measure more vocabulary words in a foreign language.
[254.0-258.0] Or you knew your times tables, your additions tables, better.
[258.0-265.0] But if you fell off into slow wave sleep, unconscious sleep, that there was no learning.
[266.0-281.0] Mr. Monroe wanted to figure out a way to prolong this period of early sleep or what he called mind awake, body asleep, state so that he could utilize this concept of sleep learning.
[282.0-288.0] So he experimented with different kinds of ways to stimulate mind awake, body asleep.
[288.0-301.0] And he came up with the notion of a sound technology, being a radio man, and was the guy who made all the footsteps across the floor and the dramas and the creaky doors and everything.
[302.0-330.0] So being a sound-oriented person was able to come up with the use of a phenomenon known as binaural beating or putting a slightly different sound in one ear than the other and creating a vibrato between the sounds, stimulated the brain, or calmed down the brain and got into this ideal state of mind awake but body asleep.
[330.0-334.0] And therefore, from there, you can go into an expanded consciousness.
[334.0-339.0] Well, he didn't think about that at the time. He was chasing sleep learning.
[339.0-340.0] Okay.
[340.0-356.2] Until one night when he found himself, after hundreds of hours in his laboratory experimenting with his sound pattern, he found himself laying in bed at night and realizing, I'm awake, I am wide awake, and yet my body is totally asleep.
[357.2-360.2] This is exactly what I've been trying to create in the laboratory.
[360.2-363.2] And he was thinking, this is very interesting.
[363.2-367.2] And he began to say, I wonder what I can sense or feel or know.
[367.2-370.2] And he felt what he thought was the sheets.
[370.2-372.2] And he said, these are very rough.
[372.2-374.2] Maybe there's too much starch in the sheets.
[374.2-378.2] And he looked over to the right, and he thought he saw a fountain in his bed.
[378.2-381.2] And he couldn't imagine what a fountain was coming out of his bed.
[381.2-382.2] Mm-hmm.
[382.2-384.2] Was this a strange dream?
[384.2-387.2] No, it couldn't be a dream because he was wide awake.
[387.2-393.2] And when he looked straight ahead, down he saw himself and his wife in bed.
[393.2-395.2] And he panicked.
[395.2-397.2] Oh, no, I've died.
[397.2-403.2] And he immediately dove back down into his bed in his body, sat up.
[403.2-405.0] That was close.
[405.0-406.0] I almost died.
[406.0-408.0] This is horrible.
[408.0-414.0] And he spent the next six, eight months going to his medical doctor, a psychiatrist,
[414.0-418.0] his minister, trying to find out what was wrong with him.
[418.0-423.0] Was this something terrible, some foreboding disease he had?
[423.0-426.0] Well, they eventually convinced him that he was quite normal.
[426.0-428.0] There was nothing wrong with him.
[428.0-429.0] Nothing wrong.
[429.0-430.0] He had jumped.
[430.0-431.0] He had made that jump.
[431.0-432.0] Yes.
[432.0-436.0] That he maybe wanted to make without knowing that that's where he was going.
[436.0-441.0] Well, what happens when your body goes to sleep and your mind stays awake?
[441.0-442.0] Mm-hmm.
[442.0-447.0] There was a whole world out there that he had no idea existed and eventually wrote
[447.0-450.0] in his first book, Journeys Out of the Body.
[450.0-454.0] And that was the foundation for what the Monroe Institute is today,
[454.0-462.1] some 40 years later now, 40 and 50 years later, of helping people explore states
[462.1-467.8] of consciousness connected with putting the body to sleep and allowing your mind,
[467.8-471.8] your consciousness, your awareness to stay awake and clear
[471.8-474.8] and exploring those avenues of consciousness.
[474.8-476.8] So your body's in a safe place.
[476.8-477.8] Yes.
[477.8-480.8] And you set it up, obviously, because you've come on board.
[480.8-482.8] You've been there, what, 10 years?
[482.8-483.8] About 15.
[483.8-484.8] 15 years.
[484.8-488.8] And you've taken your technology, which, doggone, we don't have enough time to talk
[488.8-493.8] about all this, but you've taken your knowledge and married it with his abilities
[493.8-498.8] and brought out, I don't know if HemiSync was available before you came
[498.8-500.8] or if you brought that terminology out.
[500.8-506.8] Well, HemiSync was developed back in the early 60s, and I didn't meet Bob until 1977.
[506.8-507.8] Mm-hmm.
[507.8-509.8] And that's when I was with the government remote viewing program,
[509.8-513.8] and I was trying to find out whether or not the HemiSync technology would help
[513.8-518.8] the remote viewers in their job and eventually retired from the military
[518.8-521.8] and been working at the institute for the last 15 years.
[521.8-525.8] Well, we might tell the viewers at this point that what remote viewing is,
[525.8-530.8] because how you even got the chance to meet and work with Bob Monroe is because
[530.8-535.8] of your work with the government in what we now can call remote viewing.
[535.8-539.8] We can now, well, you already called it that, but now there are conferences
[539.8-540.8] on remote viewing.
[540.8-541.8] Yeah.
[541.8-542.8] There are people that talk about it constantly.
[542.8-543.8] Yeah.
[543.8-546.8] There are people that practice it, but you were the pioneer.
[546.8-553.8] Well, I certainly had one little piece of the pie of a much larger perspective.
[553.8-561.8] The remote viewing is the ability to mentally perceive and describe locations,
[561.8-566.8] activities, people that are distant from you by they're too many miles away.
[567.8-572.9] I can't see them with my own eyes or are blocked because they're behind another wall.
[572.9-576.9] I can't see through the wall, but mentally I might be able to perceive.
[576.9-581.9] You might think of this as ESP or clairvoyance in a way,
[581.9-589.9] but in a controlled laboratory procedure, in a protocol that restricts any other way
[589.9-593.9] of knowing other than psychically becoming aware of this information.
[593.9-594.9] Yes.
[594.9-597.9] And I might mention that even if you are intuitive or psychic,
[597.9-599.9] that does not mean that you have the ability to do.
[600.0-601.0] Remote Viewing.
[601.0-607.2] Only because the remote viewing is controlled within specific protocols, but it's perfectly
[607.2-612.6] okay to be a wonderful intuitive and a wonderful psychic, but you wouldn't call yourself a
[612.6-615.2] remote viewer because it isn't under these scientific protocols.
[615.2-616.6] That's very well pointed out.
[616.6-619.4] Well, because I've tried it.
[619.4-623.4] And I'm very intuitive, and I know a lot of things that if I try and do remote viewing,
[623.4-626.0] it is not a skill that I've brought forward.
[626.0-627.6] That doesn't mean that I can't.
[627.6-629.4] I just have not worked with that level.
[629.5-633.7] Well, because of its scientific basis, the government became interested in its use as
[633.7-636.6] a surveillance tool for intelligence purposes.
[636.6-644.8] And my role was to suggest that we train government people to do this rather than find
[644.8-646.3] talented people.
[646.3-653.0] So the notion of training or teaching people how to do remote viewing was the little piece
[653.0-656.1] of role I played for ten years in the government.
[656.1-657.1] Little piece.
[657.1-659.1] Okay, you're very modest.
[659.1-661.6] And then left and joined the Monroe Institute.
[661.6-669.1] And at the Monroe Institute, we have many different classes of instruction, eight different
[669.1-676.4] classes of instruction in altered states that people go to to learn different things that
[676.4-681.3] they can utilize their greater being more than the physical body.
[681.3-687.3] What are you and who can you be, explore, and know when you accept the perspective
[687.3-689.3] that you are more than your physical body?
[689.3-694.8] Well, and that's obviously the key to what has kept this institute going over and over