Markdown lines 153–291 · Part 2 of 4
[00:31:00] knew it on Earth here he said he was never religious he used to think of himself as being an atheist um ask him if he's changed his Viewpoint at all since uh moving to where he is now
[00:31:30] he kind of laughs that um it's like he he gives you the impression of um well you know I mean well like uh everyone here knows that there's a a divine plan and there's a he says we don't talk about religion especially but
[00:32:00] um um the spirit is what we're working on and with and ask him if he understands better the energy by which you are communicating with him right now well he says he certainly understands it better because when he was on the Earth
[00:32:30] plane he was not open to such communication um but he says he has much to learn in this area that he is on the planet Mars because he has to like serve out a certain sentence
[00:33:00] um ask him why he has to do this he was really attached it has to do with the desire system he was really attached to his work um he made his work almost to God uh and
[00:33:30] so he built up his next his next realm um he has to work that out and uh then move on to another place where he can develop more artistic sides of himself and another place where he can develop his spirituality higher but that
[00:34:00] his what he's saying is that our our um attachments are preoccupations with certain aspects of existence predetermine where we go
[00:34:30] what planet we work on what our mean activities are once we get past a certain level of of um well I guess he refers to it as a level of confusion
[00:35:00] um uh a level in which many spirits many entities are kind of Trapped um are able to communicate with both sides somewhat but not uh with any expertise they can't really be helpful to anyone
[00:35:30] it's a I guess it's he says it's what we talk about is the astral plane um where no real work is done it's just kind of an interim but when one is in that interim place it feels well he says it it feels partly confused but sometimes like
[00:36:00] um not too far from the way one felt on the Earth plane very good does he expect to return physically to the planet Earth he says he really doesn't have that knowledge ah he doesn't have any expectations he's in a place where he just has something to do right now and
[00:36:30] um he's not he says he's not one of the planners whatever that might mean does he know who the planners are said all he knows is that there are like hierarchies um of
[00:37:00] spirits has he met some of the hierarchy says he's met Messengers in um people that are more are not people entities that are more highly developed than he but he really isn't very clear about all that well and ask him this other thing that
[00:37:30] when he was on the planet Earth did he attend college oh yes he attended College ask him where he where he attended and what year did he graduate graduated in 1920
[00:38:00] eight I can get is po Technic ask him which po Technic
[00:38:30] right either he doesn't know or or I'm not getting it clearly all I know it begins with an o oh Odon might just be Oregon I I don't know very good that's very good well thank you for for being so kind as to tolerate our uh communication and we
[00:39:00] enjoyed meeting him very much and ask him how we can come and visit him again yes you know so he's well known on planet Mars very good then why why don't you thank him and then move away all right and then
[00:39:30] explore some area be sure you thank him so much and then just go explore for a bit and report in place where I was before um where I was outside of time all right um it's an easy place to go think of a pattern blue and then green and then purple and then go through the purple and you'll be there there and they just report in when you get
[00:40:00] through feeling good and simply relax and go with the flow far past the purple Stillness so
[00:40:30] just let yourself go with the flow relax and feel safe and secure and go s of sort of a halfway between flying and floating it's like
[00:41:00] um it's not quite as voluntary as flying but it is more purposeful than floating very good they were an invisible cord that were're pulling me
[00:41:30] around in a very gentle kind of way moving faster than the clouds before but Hans has been with me a lot of the time like whenever ever I seem to be in a real Spacey place he
[00:42:00] takes my right hand in his left hand can you communicate with him yes I ask him then uh how he feels and what he thinks where he is now
[00:42:30] able to move through different levels of consciousness levels of experience and um he really doesn't think about it very much um experiences and he is
[00:43:00] connected to my development ask him if there is a difference in his perspective as to where he is now than when he was on the planet Earth physically oh yes he says there an utter lack of trying where he is now um
[00:43:30] ask him uh how was the event of his moving over into where he is now the event of what we call death was it unpleasant ask him to describe it for you
[00:44:00] oh Hans died a um fairly natural death um um he was in his 70s um
[00:44:30] he was ready to die ask him if he has learned anything since his death that he did not know here on Earth well as he explained to us before he
[00:45:00] was he was a doctor who was very interested in studying the brain and he uh has learned a great deal more on the other side in terms of
[00:45:30] the uses of the brain
[00:46:00] ask him what what the most important thing is that he has learned none of it makes any any
[00:46:30] difference that way we just do what we have to do and if we get too hung up as Earth people in struggles
[00:47:00] um it has it's the idea that we get too involved in the importance of our own Minute contributions and although it's important to contribute and to pass along the information that we have we have to remember that it's just
[00:47:30] part of the scheme of things and those of us who do contribute who seem to be creative and capable are only channels then then what is is important to ask him that he feels about Earth life
[00:48:00] existence physical matter existence here it's a um it's like a testing ground a Proving Ground um with our bodies we are able to work out our Karma in a more effective way than in the
[00:48:30] other planes um he says as far as he can understand and he says to um like so many of the other entities over there that um he has much to learn but but he is at a higher level of
[00:49:00] development than the than the gentleman we spoke to before um he lets me know that but it's not with a sense of Pride or anything it's just a just a statement um he say that originally we all the Earth plane was put together as a kind of amusement
[00:49:30] um is a just a toy a game um that somehow got out of hand who created the toy the
[00:50:00] game the perfect energy the Pure Energy Infinity he says we call it by lots of names the Creator
[00:50:30] says it wasn't um an accident it was a created plan a concept very good I ask him uh if if from his perspective uh he can uh proceive patterns that will take place in our
[00:51:00] time and space in the near future he um says yes and then he tells me right away personally um that certain patterns have been hidden from
[00:51:30] me others have been given to me very clearly would he like to share the ones or would you like to share the ones that have been given to you and that have been hidden from you he says again as he's told me before
[00:52:00] that one of my that my main purpose in this souljourn is to fully surrender and to keep my heart very open and at times these things must be the test must be
[00:52:30] experienced with faith blindly that um if all of the tests I've been put through had been clearly illuminated beforehand my Supreme intellectual ability would
[00:53:00] have somehow change the pattern which would not have been to my advantage do you understand that part of me yes part of
[00:53:30] me unwilling to hear it yes um he talks about a change possibly change in
[00:54:00] the method of of my practice of my profession but he says this will evolve naturally it's nothing to concern myself
[00:54:30] with and in that part of my life I will continue to be successful and bring others to a higher level of achievement again he says I must
[00:55:00] trust he says I'm stronger than I I know ask him uh what the relationship is between you and him if you desire to
[00:55:30] know this well he says he's in the relationship of a teacher guide uh companion um ask him how long this relationship has uh extended did it include only this
[00:56:00] physical lifetime here oh he says that we have experienced physical lifetimes together um when he also was a male and I was a um young younger man a boy younger man I don't think it was a father son
[00:56:30] relationship I think it was an uncle very good ask him from his perspective if uh uh he has uh uh can perceive any important uh patterns of Earth changes
[00:57:00] that are coming up that we have heard about well I'm being shown the a kind of a very shadow y it's not a clear but a shadowy outline of the
[00:57:30] United States and it's like it's fluttering um and it's it's like it as if were a piece of paper and it we're flapping in the wind and the the edges the uh Eastern and the Western edges are becoming
[00:58:00] tattered uh like the wind is blowing and ripping the edges and I I have there are big numbers that go by 1980 1981 1982 and then it Glides down and it's a different shape and uh there seems to be a big sort of a hole
[00:58:30] in the middle um I think it's through Illinois some place um it's not solid around the edges anymore what does the West Coast look like say in
[00:59:00] 1988 there isn't any West Coast what is I mean there's a West Coast but not like we see it we're roughly um what it be Montana uh Montana is on the coast part of New Mexico
[00:59:30] what about the Rocky Mountains there's the only part of the Rocky Mountain left uh which part I don't really know I'm asking he's not saying I just all right very good see them ask him then ask him to look at
[01:00:00] the East Coast 1988 East Coast seems to be at Michigan then follow it South
[01:00:30] the Florida Florida is okay how about in between where is Georgia North Carolina Virginia Washington DC sort of flutters up and down there part of
[01:01:00] um uh Virginia is okay um it's part of North Carolina that isn't there but not all of it um what about North moving northward from Virginia
[01:01:30] makes a sort of um a fairly straight line uh goes a little bit a little bit of an angle toward the East but mostly kind of cut off all the jagged edges seems to have
[01:02:00] smoothed where does the smooth Line run from Michigan down through where I don't really I I hear Wisconsin and I don't know where Wisconsin is my geography's
[01:02:30] terrible where is Pittsburgh Pennsylvania for example it isn't very good um then moving into another area and I'm so glad that Hans is communicating with you directly do you
[01:03:00] like this mhm good ask him U if our understanding of brain mind from his Viewpoint where he is now is anywhere near accurate well he says
[01:03:30] um there are different approaches in the Earth plane to the concept of brain mind um some are accurate than others but that man has more than one mind he has one brain but he has more than one mind there's a
[01:04:00] mind that's like the higher mind and there's a human level mind that we usually think of as our analytic mind
[01:04:30] and that the brain itself is a storehouse like a computer that's interesting he says that the um the human brain has within it a composite
[01:05:00] of experiences that extend beyond the lifetime of the individual and it's the mind that interprets the higher mind knows the higher mind is