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and neutral framework for beginning point agreed upon by yourself and other participants can help keep your questions and guidance clear of influencing information brought back Rita 38:13 very good. Appreciate very much. 38:18 Now, bring back this individual. Rita 38:27 Here again I'd like to ask you, Kurt to let us know that you're back and you're ready to speak to us and let us know that you're on your way back 39:00 please turn the light on. Rita 39:05 Is that little 39:06 I just need something to orient myself on that blackness. It's almost the same thing eyes open and close. Rita 39:16 I'm going to be pulling out some of the sounds we've had in there and I will be very good putting it a little bit of beta to help you back. And usually we would count to be pullback. And I'll leave that up to you whether you would like to have me do that or not. I feel mostly back actually. All right, well, then we'll just say one, one, back in normal waking consciousness. How you feeling? 40:04 Boy, I don't think I've ever experienced a trance state like that before, Rita 40:09 was really very, very interesting to us. 40:14 It definitely was not Charles in terms of both the field and the style of communication except for the weak 40:27 and urgency maybe isn't the right word, but a lot of interest, a lot of attention and a lot of 40:42 wanting to be helpful. And also feelings are hard to translate your exasperation from the right word. 40:56 Super patients 40:57 maybe with the fact that things haven't always Rita 41:02 we struggled a little bit here and make some mistakes. I really 41:06 need to go to the bathroom. Okay, very good. Rita 41:10 Skip, we'll be right in to help you out 41:20 Okay, Rita 41:21 can we record here for posterity your reaction? 41:28 Well don't really know what to say that there was a real strong feeling of being locked onto the energy my body felt rather rigid. A lot of the time. Maybe that will relax later on. I think part of that was because it was such an unfamiliar state of consciousness for me. trance states are fairly ordinary. And Charles, I'm quite used to, but this was not Rita 41:59 very different. Yeah, 42:01 different. Very unperceivable, but supportive. You know, I 42:11 think it was called Rita 42:14 a non personal energy. But that was that place of loving universe, this one runs into sometimes an impersonal 42:27 and I always had the feeling I was in that initial space, that sort of spherical energy. Rita 42:39 Octa, 42:41 right, that it's funny that came out that way. Because I think Rita 42:51 around two grand, 42:53 I think that one of the intentions was to start creating from certain images there. Somebody a beginning point of visualization, beginning point or something. But I think the concept the feeling I got was the concept. Well, that's hard to say. I know something was said about consoles. But I didn't see console. I think that was just an unalloyed Rita 43:28 it was that let's say in response to my question about how is it this energy comes through how to perceive of that? 43:38 I think that imagine consoles as a way of helping them know that they're in that state or move beyond that state. That was my impression. I know I wouldn't choose that imagery for myself. Because spherical thing with me at the center was mouth and that that sphere was interesting if it was a little like, around it, or in it was what it looks like on a television screen when it's not you know, when it's not tuned into an image. Lots of snow actuating snow light particles but not not like I'm looking at it as at a screen. It's filling the whole space. And actually it's more dark. And the light it's not the light isn't quite as bright. That was the image that I got. It just feels aware. And lots of specs, or maybe those specs or the angles, I don't know. I will say that twice. In out of body experiences that I've had Ah I had an awareness of an entity that was guiding me or instructing me. I think he said something. Rita 45:09 Yes. That did you've been introduced, so to speak. To hadn't been had spent a lot of time with you lot of but you have been introduced to this energy before it. So did you understand the the idea of the angles? 45:44 Well, understanding it intellectually, I think, I don't know if I could do. 45:53 I don't know if I could do what I was. I don't know if I could do what was being said. Yeah, Rita 46:02 it was, it was unclear to me still was unclear. unclear to me still, how one would go about choosing an angle to a specific type of experience? Yes, I think that would still be a question for the next time, 46:22 because I didn't didn't that voice. Say that? You can't, you have to learn an experience. 46:29 That's right. Rita 46:30 But how? How does one procedure do that? Does one start with the image of the universe? And 46:39 oh, I see. An identify Rita 46:41 the angle from that experience, or it is one? Well, maybe choose an angle and see where it goes, so to speak? 46:52 Yes, actually, probably both. But I don't know. Because what I got didn't go beyond that point. Yeah, Rita 46:59 I was left with that question. But I was clear that we were supposed to be right, you were supposed to be at that point. So 47:07 the point that pressure to urinate got very, very strong. And that's that's mainly, what was causing the interference. There was one whole chunk of stuff that didn't get through real clearly because of the interference. I don't even know whether those whether what the point that was being made. Got made again, later or whether it was just left dangling. Rita 47:40 Well, there's obviously some motive to 47:44 I'm curious about the volt. Rita 47:49 Skip has that information. 47:53 When you when there's a lot of energy moving through, so maybe it wasn't that I was 48:05 right, was there anything else Rita 48:06 we need to say, at this point for this? Session? Obviously, it would be fun for us to continue this. 48:16 Oh, I'm definitely interested. 48:19 While you're here, 48:20 I haven't had any out of body experiences or adventures like this for about a year. And Charles told me it was because I had to finish my book up first. And I was just wondering when when it was going to start up again. So I guess 48:42 convenient. It's very interesting to not by any avoidance, but like, it just wasn't possible. before. Yeah. You're welcome. You know that. Me I've been here. And anyway, somebody's playing games. Okay, Martin, and we're gonna have lunch, I need to call Rita 49:11 and see