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Robert A. Monroe
Monday Night GATEWAY Talk
1989-05
(Transcript)
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Bob Monroe 00:00
I wish we could go back to something we used to do several years ago. And that's take
Polaroid portraits of everyone as they enter. And then as they exit, it's I can perceive it very
easily because I'm in and out, but the changes in just your facial expressions is so very, very
different. And, of course, I had an old friend who argue that point where whoever says, Well,
what do you expect if you lie around for a week?
Bob Monroe 00:46
But it's very true that
Bob Monroe 00:55
that there are patterns now that you at least, have had some glimpse of, and at the very, very
least, most importantly, this is the easiest part of this to me, because I have discovered slowly
through the years that I am not a ven person so much as I am, when person now is something
that's between then, and when. So for you, this is now then was as late as three hours that
code how juicy whatever that three hours was, and you don't have a full feeling of when that
was? So the big thing is that, where are you now? Well, one of the biggest things that you can
do is to learn how to play in different ways. One of the ways that you can learn to play is that
you do have upcoming the question of reentry, and going back from whence you came in this
present time space, and are filled with the need for explanations as to what you've been doing.
And it sometimes is going to be very rough to say, well, what are you doing all this week? Well,
it's rather hard to describe. And
02:46
the best way I can give you to describe the problem is before this was built, before we had this
whole facility, which is
Bob Monroe 03:02
10 years ago, let me as the this one friend from New York City we were conducting these over
at a center, just west of Richmond. And in that case, everyone was in a large room like this,
lying down close to each other like that, and listening to headphones and lying on pads. And it
was when people were in 12 or beyond, there was nothing so much as a walking through a
whole bunch of logs there because the reading is so shallow and everything else is very, very
quiet. Anyway, after a whole week aside, the session is New York man in his reentry province,
as Bob says, I want to tell you I have a real problem in reentry initiatives. What's that? He says,
I will go back. And I go to the office Monday morning, and all my guys at the office are say,
Well, what do you do? And when I tell them, they will never believe me. And I says What do
you mean they will never believe you? He says when I tell them that I had been lying down all
week between two beautiful girls and I've had no sex and no booze. They'll never believe me
Bob Monroe 04:41
at least we now have walls. How many of you know the old story about bundling boards, early
colonial history. And you know about that that's there's a lot of stories built around the bundling
board. For though Those of you who are suitably ignorant back in the days, colonial days when
it was too cold to do anything else, the when the young gal had a suit and he came courting it
was they wanted some kind of privacy. So the only place they can get privacy it was in in, let's
say, a bedroom, but it was cold in the bedroom. And it was quite natural that here's this warm,
comforting covered bed is to get in the bed. Now that was I could hold their conversations. But
some wise old character built what was called a bumbling board that went down the middle of
the bed. So that was about a foot and a half to two feet tall, depending on the on the cynicism
of the Father. And that went in the bed and it was definitely fixed in the bed so that you couldn't
they could talk over the bundling board, but they couldn't do anymore. So the famous stories,
of course, are about well, if he was not man enough to get over the bunting board, he's not
worth marrying. So you can think about all sorts of aspects of that. And while you are then
fooling around in your fantasies on what happened. And what you're going to talk about, one of
the nice ones is I'll give you a rough one to play with it thoroughly confused. What you do is
you take your fist form it like that, stick your thumb out like that, you go on. And when you go
like that, you say NIF boom, boom, Nit boom, boom. Now what that this is, all about three
years, maybe more I keep saying is three years ago, maybe more. A piece of Muscovites
Muscovite slang straight off the Lower East Side of Moscow, if you want to put it that way. Or
Harlem of Moscow. And when you say knit, boom, and you say it with a great accent. In
Russian, very, very politely transferred. Or translated, simply means you don't know what the
hell he's talking about. Boom, boom. One of the day you meet someone from Moscow and he
will look with you at astonishment. Because you know, that little piece of Russian slang
because I say I have translated it very politely
Bob Monroe 08:01
some other things you can play with. One of them, of course is that now that you are in another
modality, try the two to three sleep cycle routine, it's once you get into it is very, very easy. And
that is that I go to sleep for these two or three seasons sleep cycle, whatever is best for you,
where you wake up, after three hours or four and a half hours, whatever it is, and you're lying
in bed and you're completely wide awake and you are fully rested. And you are fully conscious.
At that point, it is supremely easy to roll out of your body once you've lost that fear. It's so easy
I can't tell you how easy it is because of you don't have to go through any count to 10 or
anything like that or you can want to fasten it tighter. Just think of 12 and go to 12 Whatever.
But it's so easy then to simply roll out a phase because the habit of the autumn on autonomic
habit of rolling out of phase has just completed itself back this way so it's easy again to open it
up that way to find it very, very easy. Especially when you now they don't have the fear of that
transference. Know that you can play with when lying around in bed in a very bored sort of way
is begin again, then, at that three o'clock in the morning, go to play. That's a good time after
those two or three sleep cycles but you to take your arms and try to move them over your body
like this, but in so moving, you'll find first, there Gravitic resistance. And then you don't worry
about that you take the there's sort of some peculiar thing, once you find that you're all right,
there's another kind of resistance is almost like breaking service surface tension. And you can
feel it and it gets harder and harder. And then suddenly, it's like, it pops like that and seizing
and bring your hands up like this. Might not the first time anything like that, but you lazily try it a
few times. And eventually, you are there with your eyes closed and you feel and these hands
seem very real to you, then you cheat a bit and squint your eyes with your eyes open. And you
will see that these hands have a ring around them all around the outline, like a blue glowing, or
almost, you can see right through them. And you can see the rest of the bed or the wall or
whatever. And if you look down here, you will see your physical arms are down this to your
side. This is a very easy way to begin this prospecting is that we're in into the OB seat and you
play with him live in DC very real until you look down there. Now your physical and then of
course the next step. Once you've gotten that under control, you how many times can you put
your hands over your chest before you get bored. So here, you take this one hand and
discover how extremely elastic it is. And reach outward, upward. Whichever way generally
you're on your back and reach out and push against the ceiling and the ceiling feels very hard
I'll but you push a little farther harder. And suddenly, it's surface tension as it were is broken
and your hand goes through the ceiling and you can feel the drywall, you feel the insulation in
the floor or roof up above and stick your hand up. Then you stretch up and up and up until you
can't find anything else. And you do that for a while. And that gets boring. And then you say
well, I'll try sideways and you go through apartment after apartment, this one your house after
this and feel around and have some fun that ways you might begin to figure out. And so, but
that's your hand and some are in rare instances, I've heard people who can perceive through
their hands this way I cannot I've tried to put eyes on my hand, I can't put any highs in the way
and Longo gave. So then the next trick is to begin to lift your legs up and do the same thing for
one leg up like that. And you have the same you have to overcome that resistance. And you
will feel it is something different from gravity, it's important to feel it, then you get them both up
here like that. And you clap them together like this. And we're going to have a nice stretch up.
And finally, you see oh, well, this is the way to get out of body. So you'll get the legs up and
you'll get the hips up. And then you can get your shoulders up during your way up. You're like
that. But your head is still in the physical body and you'll Yank, yank and yank me. I don't know
why never works, you can't get back out that way. So then you go down and do out this way.
But you think, Oh, it should be easy. And you'll but it's just as if there's a hook connecting that
physical head with that. That I their head and you can't get it out. These are things maybe one
of you will find out why. So anyway, those are the kinds of things that you can play with, that
will in turn, be of interest to you. There are a lot of other things in the when one of the key
things it's available to you. In the wind thing is that we have a graduate program here called
guidelines, and you may or may not be aware of it. But it's I believe booked out for the rest of
the year, I'm not sure. Where's the continuation of is going on from 21 as it were, you know,
very deep self integration. And one of the things that's made it now very successful is that that
does include a one to one session in the lab over here for each participant. And we found that
we have to limit the number of participants because we can't get them home in the lab. So
that's, but I would think that for those who want to move in that particular direction, it's very
exciting stuff. And that reminds me
Bob Monroe 15:25
our lab project manager wanted you all to have these. So I'll hand them out here. These are
sort of take home things about that, haven't, Lisa, that. Patterns that take place in brain scans
of you, does everybody have one, that's sort of a fun thing to have a picture to? What I don't
know whose it is, I hope they haven't got mine again. But
Bob Monroe 16:01
for those who are tactically minded in it, Skip, or they didn't tell you, we have a phenomenon
taking place beyond our phenomenon. So we have a whole brand new and we're trying to
figure out, and that is that we have about three people creating square waves. And that's kind
of unheard thing to create square waves. You know, most of your EEG patterns are sought
who's like this, we are people going like this. And we haven't been able to find any literature
that even begins to explain what the square waves are all about. We'll find out. Of course, you
know about this other thing that has developed in the lab that's so wonderful is that we have
now a means to illustrate to the many people who, especially the biofeedback people who
said, Well, what you're doing in your DC voltage measurement and your polarity shift, which
we found so illustrative and accurate in terms of gauging human consciousness. They've