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[788.1-801.1] And some of the things that we have tried, of course, is one of them. Our favorite is to go back and rotate around in time until you face the point where you were 5 years old, where it was your fifth birthday.
[802.1-817.1] And in doing that, then go out the spoke of the wheel and re-enter time and not exactly experience, but be in the same, quote, space as you are or were when you were 5 years old.
[818.1-836.1] The interesting part about that is that you don't become the 5 year old child, you are added to it and you can perceive all of the thoughts, emotions, and actions and motivations of that 5 year old and simply participate in that action without really being a part of the 5 year old.
[837.1-845.1] So it's not like hypnosis where you go back and become the 5 year old. This is the older you put on the younger you. That's one of the cases.
[846.1-864.1] Forward in time, we've had some very interesting experiments along that line. We hinge it very much on going to yourself when you are physically in existence, say a year from now or 2 years from now or 5 years.
[865.1-882.7] And one of the interesting things we did in one of the 1 year advances, this one experimenter or participant found out in moving a year ahead in time, got nothing but a blank, couldn't find himself in that year ahead.
[883.7-890.7] Total blank. Well, we didn't know enough to ask the right questions, so he returned and came back into normal time.
[891.7-898.7] And a year later, he had died of a heart attack, so that's why he couldn't find himself in physical life.
[899.9-906.9] So in this out of body state, in this future or past time, is one actually experiencing it or observing it?
[907.9-918.9] Generally, it is an observer status, but you are principally observing yourself. The experience, though, as an observer, is a very, very profound and deep thing.
[919.9-931.9] When I say observe, this means that you observe, slash, experience all the emotions and all of the events of that period without being a part of it.
[931.9-936.9] But you do experience all the motivations and the thoughts and so on.
[937.9-945.9] Fascinating. Absolutely fascinating. Are there any new areas in connection with the out of body travel which you think should be explored?
[947.2-956.4] Well, there are so many things that need exploration in it because it's a thing that in the last 20 years has become quite acceptable.
[957.4-974.4] 20 years ago, I would not have all conceived of the thought that the American Psychiatric Association would permit official papers on the subject to be read at their national convention.
[975.4-988.4] But this took place a couple of years ago, and this was a breakthrough in the psychiatric field that they would even consider that something like this was something other than an hallucination.
[989.7-1002.5] So, the changes are in effect. The out of body state is a normal, natural state from our perspective.
[1004.2-1011.2] Our perspective says that you do this every night when you go to sleep, and in deep, delta sleep, you are out of your physical body.
[1012.2-1015.2] The fact that you don't remember it does not mean that it doesn't exist.
[1016.2-1019.2] So, there may well be a primary reason why you do this.
[1020.2-1030.8] And this is all tied up in the mysteries of sleep, which we as a culture are now finally exploring with some great degree of seriousness, I hope.
[1032.0-1050.2] The out of body state in and of itself, its most profound answer that it gives is the fact that you begin to know, not believe, not hope, or whatever, that you do survive physical death.
[1051.2-1061.4] That such survival is as natural as being born. It's not a thing that you have to perform certain functions in order to survive physical death.
[1062.4-1068.4] No matter what you do, when you live here physically, you're going to survive. You may not think you do, but you do.
[1069.4-1076.4] And that survival is not contingent upon any religious beliefs, any cultural beliefs. You just simply survive.
[1077.4-1088.9] Well, Mr. Monroe, I'm sure many of us would like to have that knowledge as opposed to the beliefs. So, can you describe how you teach people to experience the out of body state?
[1090.4-1101.4] We have evolved a system over the last 10 or 15 years, what we call our gateway program, and this is conducted at our center in Virginia.
[1101.4-1119.6] And also, we have a system where you can begin to apply it at home. This system utilizes a very simple method of helping the brain synchronize the left and right half of the brain.
[1120.6-1135.6] That synchronization helps you explore yourself more deeply, which in turn lets you begin to perceive the energy, the raw energy that is you, and second, learn how to control it, and third, how to utilize it.
[1136.6-1147.1] Now, one of the ways that you can utilize such energy is to move into the out of body state. However, I think the first thing you need to know is why you want to do this.
[1148.1-1156.1] Why do you want to achieve the out of body state? If you want to achieve it on a permanent way, you just take a gun and put it in your head.
[1157.1-1171.2] It is much like saying, oh, I would like to drive that car. Fine, I hand you the keys to the car, and you have to know where you're going to go and why you're going to go.
[1172.2-1177.2] And once you know that, then there's a very definitive purpose for having the car.
[1178.2-1187.2] In our training sessions, this is basically what we teach, the understanding and control and utilization of such energy.
[1188.2-1199.2] And if you're at all interested in this particular field, I suggest you tell us about your experiences. We'd be interested in them. It simply adds to your experience.
[1200.0-1206.6] to our research base when we hear of people who have had out-of-body experiences. One way
[1206.6-1215.6] you can reach us is by simply writing me, Robert Monroe, Monroe Institute at Faber, Virginia,
[1215.6-1220.9] and that's spelled F as in Frank, A-B-E-R, Virginia, 22938.
[1220.9-1229.6] All right, well thank you very, very much, Mr. Monroe, for taking this time with us today.
[1229.6-1233.5] It's been a fascinating experience and I'm sure people would like to learn more about
[1233.5-1234.8] this. Thank you again.
[1234.8-1236.0] I enjoyed being here.