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[00:27:30] uh we had it spread simply because the word would get out to among the scientific community and those who were curious or had something similar happen to them uh were attracted to our work. >> All right. Uh are these the sounds uh that are now known as the hemiynink tapes? >> The hemisync tapes. In other words, hemi sync. Yes. >> Hemi as in hemisphere of the brain. I I take
[00:28:00] >> that's right. And what the what these patterns we did find was that uh it's a special method that we didn't invent uh what's called a burial beat but we did indeed use that as a system of a means of getting these low frequency vibrational patterns into the brain. In other words, the bonural beat. Yes. >> Uh it puts a say a 100 hertz signal in one ear which you can hear and 104 hertz signal in the other ear and the brain has to uh synthesize that four herz
[00:28:30] differential. That's what a bonural beat is. >> So you end up with a uh a four hertz um that the brain itself uh hears. >> Yeah. The brain itself has to synthesize that by that synchronization of the hemispheres because one signal is in one ear and the uh the other signal is in the opposite ear and the net differential. >> Yes. >> And I said we didn't invent that. It's just the actual waveform are the one that we put together. >> Okay. Then is it the four hertz uh
[00:29:00] signal that the brain hears that actually enables or assists in in attaining the state you're talking about? Yeah, it's a combination. We uh now use multiple combinations thereof. But uh that's uh that's how we first began by getting these very simple uh combination patterns going. >> And uh in terms of where that um got is a quite a interesting story, but uh I
[00:29:30] bring you up through the years. It gives you an idea of where we are now. We have a 20 channel EG system and a uh an isolation booth where we have and got a great deal of the RF out of it and we use that in an awful lot of research and u I will turn you over to Skip Atwater and let him talk a little bit about research patterns that will help. >> All right. Uh I I would love that u and and go right ahead. Uh coming is Skip Atwater. And um uh Skip Atwater um are
[00:30:00] you there? >> Yes. >> Uh Skip um what uh what division uh do you head up for Mr. Monroe? >> The research division that you mentioned earlier in your introduction. >> Yes. Um fascinating stuff that that you folks are doing. Um what can you what can you tell us about the present state of your research? In other words, what all this has led to? Yes, the present day research has really been uh due to
[00:30:30] the age of computers. All the work that Mr. Monroe had done over the two decades uh prior to the invention of the computer world and analysis is now being validated. He has always been a man ahead of his time as it were. And the notions he had about what were going on, what was going on are now uh being proven to be true by looking at the brain wave states through computerized electronography. actually measuring uh
[00:31:00] brain waves with a brain mapping system uh that runs off a computer. Not the charts and the squiggly lines that we've all seen on uh drug commercials on TV and things like that, but uh actual computerized analysis of the brain wave states. >> What uh what are you actually able to chart? This is fascinating. What can you chart about the brain besides uh electrical activity? Well, we can uh see
[00:31:30] how the sound patterns originally invented by Mr. Monroe affect the change in the patterns of the brain. And those changes then have been identified over the years as being characteristic of states of consciousness. So you can actually see dissociative states of consciousness and transcendent states of consciousness as they're experienced by the people reflected in their brain wave states. >> Wow. Um that's a a significant uh
[00:32:00] significant accomplishment. Um what what if if if if somebody were there and uh we were actually observing this underway, what uh how are you able to document this uh using a computer? Uh is it just that I'm I'm totally lost. In other words, uh getting a little bit technical with me if you can. What exactly do you look
[00:32:30] at? What we do is watch an overall flowing pattern of brain waves. Um the uh brain waves are the result of electrical neuron firings in all levels of the brain and are reflected up on the scalp uh as activity of the brain. Not all things actually occur in the neoortex or that gray layer over the top of the brain. The brain is active
[00:33:00] electrically in regions down deep inside. So what you see as the pattern and activity on the top of the scalp where we put our electrodes as a result of all that activity in the brain. So it actually takes the computer to figure out all that information. >> Right. U but that is in essence what an EEG does uh as well is it not? In what way does the point you've come to differ from an EEG? Well, this is uh the state-of-the-art of EEG work in terms of
[00:33:30] analysis. It's not just the squiggly line graphs. You can take and make a map of activity, a color topographic map like you might see a weather map of the United States as the clouds pass over it and the weather fronts pass over it. You can see that same type of information passing over the scalp and over the surface of the brain. And by analyzing those changing patterns uh based on known concepts of brain activity, you
[00:34:00] can see the states of consciousness change as people mo move through them in response to the hemisync system. >> All right. When somebody achieves this state and is in fact traveling as Mr. Monroe has, >> yeah, >> what changes are do you do you document? People usually start out uh with what we call the alpha state where in the back of the head there is high amplitude alpha as they're just laying there resting before moving into this state. That pattern changes as they move into
[00:34:30] what the sleep researchers call stage four sleep and what the consciousness reaches researchers would call a dissociative state of consciousness or dissociating from the physical awareness of the body. That's results in a high amplitude delta frequency happening right on the top of the head. >> Wow. Um all right. Um that's that's quite
[00:35:00] incredible. And so where do you go from here in your research uh as you're you're going to I'm sure continue to try to document this. What what is ahead for the institute? Well, the uh first task five years ago when all this became a feasible thing to do to actually map the activity of the brain as it responded to the stimulus of the hemisyncing process was to uh improve the tapes by measuring
[00:35:30] the population of people and then changing those patterns slightly and improving the process that Mr. Monroe had discovered some years previously. >> Uhhuh. I I want to ask you a question. Do we have uh more than one telephone online now? >> Uh right now there is. Yes. >> Yes. Uh could we I'm I'm sorry to ask. Uh but would it be possible to have just one phone at a time online? It's uh reducing the audio too far. >> All right. Hold on and I'll get off and and uh >> Well, by all means, come back. >> All right. >> Is that a little better? >> That's That's quite a bit better. Yes.
[00:36:00] Thank you. >> All right. Um the situation has kind of progressed from there and now we are able to uh record the brain waves of people who have specific talents. Talents like Mr. Monrose for traveling out of his body. But included in that are other human talents like a concert pianist or an architect or a noted author or computer programmer. And by mapping the patterns of those, we are trying to develop
[00:36:30] sounds that might be able to pass these talents on to other people. >> Wow. Wow. Uh now that's quite a line of research uh to be following. How are you able to and I I'm really uh wandering around here because I don't know what I'm I'm I'm really don't know what I'm talking about. I'm I'm so excuse the ignorance, but how are you able to map for example uh somebody with a great computer talent or somebody uh who's a concert pianist and what differences are
[00:37:00] you able to note between that individual and anybody else? >> Yes, that's uh ongoing research. What we try to get them to do is to perform their talent while being uh mapped while being recorded. we would record a a baseline recording when they're not performing their particular art, right? >> And then make a recording while they're performing their art. And if we can get five, six, 12 pianists that can play the
[00:37:30] piano just exquisitly and we notice a commonality between that pattern that differs from the general population while they do that, then we have identified a specific state of consciousness that would enhance being a concert. >> And you have documented this >> in some talents. Yes, it's hard to uh collect data on all these things, but there are some talents that we have been able to identify. >> And are you able to see uh similar
[00:38:00] uh activity in a specific part of the brain with regard to a very talented person or does it vary uh according to what the talent is? >> Uh both according to the talent and according to the person. This is a the brain. uh each one of our brains is not identical. They are anatomically different. As we grow from infancy through adulthood, the folds and creases and changes in our brain are all
[00:38:30] different. Fortunately, there are some common patterns and it's faring out those common patterns over hundreds and hundreds of subjects that is our task. >> Wow. Uh that's quite a task you've uh you've undertaken. And I suppose when we get to the practical applications, we get into the educational division. Is that correct? >> That's correct. >> All right. Uh I would like to ask that you hold on just one moment. We'll come right back to you and we are
[00:39:00] interviewing actually a number of individuals from the uh Monroe Institute. We'll be right back. All right. And once again, F. Holmes Atwater, who is a researcher for the Monroe Institute. Uh and are you there? >> Yes, I'm still here. >> Good. Um I we've got a couple only a couple of moments before the bottom of the hour. >> Um but how much of your research now um is able to be translated uh into educational help for people who who want to know more about this? In other words, how much of what you have done has
[00:39:30] become practical application? Yes, there are uh that's a really good question and uh because we want to be uh practical use to people to do research or to do work in these areas and never develop any practical application would just be fruitless and we have developed a lot of practical applications over the years that have proven now over three decades to be of benefit to people. Um we have a number of brochures and literature about the use of our techniques with
[00:40:00] professional people um dentists, lawyers, therapists, educators who use the hemisync technique in their own professions as well as individuals on their own personal voyages through consciousness who um look into this technique for themselves to see if this works for themselves. So, in other words, there is help for uh there's certainly help for individuals. Is it in the area of U? Well, I'll tell you what. We're at the bottom of the
[00:40:30] hour. Uh let's hold up just a moment. We'll come right back to you. And uh this of course is Dreamland. Everybody, welcome back. I am Arbell. We're interviewing uh Robert Monroe of the Monroe Institute and company most recently F Holmes Atwater who heads the research division at the uh Monroe Institute. And uh back now to the group. Hello there. >> Hello. >> Hi. Is this uh still David? >> Uh would you like to talk to Robert again for just a minute? >> Uh sure. Go ahead and put him on. Thank