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[00:33:00] This is true. But we are given at this point in time to working more and more uh with dreams with those in the lab with all those in the lab. And we feel that we will try to uh clarify this symbolically as best we can in that particular state. Very good. Was one of It it will be your state not winter's state. You understand that? Uh yes.
[00:33:30] Uh I had one other question about twins. Sometimes twins come and join bodies here that we call Siamese twins. Is there uh something um something different about what happens there? only in that the soul itself or these souls depending on how it is. Often when that happens we are going back to the first state that we talked about where these two particular souls were at such
[00:34:00] odds in a formal lifetime. They have to be bound together and dependent on each other in order to exist at least for some time. In this particular lifetime, there is no way a soul can be more dependent or be forced to be more dependent than when you literally share parts of the same organs or parts of the same body. This is uh
[00:34:30] a very fast transition learning state for those souls who wish to move rapidly and to resolve some as you would say old karma. Uh do is it then uh in an inappropriate thing that we do when we try to physically separate those bodies? Well, actually yes it is. Although as you are aware there are no accidents and going in it doesn't make a difference whether
[00:35:00] you do or do not separate them but yes ideally the souls would remain linked together in order to get the most growth out of the situation and they do not come to the earth's plane to live a long life. They come to be fused together to resolve this karma to pass back to this plane and then to be able to reincarnate in separate bodies but having had the experience and being much more sensitive and having grown.
[00:35:30] All right. Very good. Um um another question I wanted to ask about today is that we've been receiving uh uh two teaching from from two teachings um ideas which seem to be in conflict and um these have to do with our attitudes toward our physical bodies. And uh in one of uh in some of
[00:36:00] the teachings we get the message that we should uh love our physical bodies that it's extremely important for us to be aware of the fact that our consciousness exists in throughout our bodies and that we uh if we can love every cell in our body so to speak that this would prevent illness and so on. And uh what seems to be at odds with that we get from other teaching which is that since we are not bodies um we are better off uh not see not even
[00:36:30] dealing with such illusions uh as our bodies not seeing them not paying attention to them. Um I these seem to be in conflict for us. Uh do you feel that they are or and if so uh what do you uh sense about that idea? We sense that the second that you speak u you must be so in touch with your body that it can cease to exist. However,
[00:37:00] this does not mean you should neglect your body, but rather as you are aware, the most uh basic t teachings on your earth's plane deal with the fact that the body is the temple of God. And thus we feel the same type information should go forth that you need the body. You need the body as absolutely as healthy and as clearminded as can be free from all
[00:37:30] drugs in order to best hear and communicate and heal and use your energies effectively. If you go into dowoism at all, you will start to see the controlled use of energy which the you need the body uh in order to control this energy. We feel that the concept of not needing the body is a actually a
[00:38:00] higher concept but one where the middle elements of first getting the body so in tune and so in refined has been omitted for some particular reason. Perhaps just oversight on the particular energy that is coming forth. Um, all right. Let me check and see if I understood what you said there. Um,
[00:38:30] the uh the notion that we are not physical bodies is something of course that um that we we accept that we're at least we are more than our physical bodies. That is correct. uh and that this is in a sense um um true al although it doesn't lead to the uh idea that therefore we neglect the bodies or that we uh do not um this is correct and of course Mr. Monroe has heard our
[00:39:00] song and dance on his body and his neglect of his particular physical body. Um but yes, your body must not be neglected. You are far more than your body and you have had thousands and thousands of bodies and this is just one more in this particular time space element. What about the idea of loving your physical body? We feel that you have to love you and
[00:39:30] you is certainly part or your physical body is a part of you and those on your planet look and can only see their physical body when they think of you. So certainly they should love the physical body not to the extent that they do not see the mind. For instance, your athletes who become so engrossed in
[00:40:00] physical body and winning often do not see that there is something more than just the handsome athletic physical body. This is not what we're saying. We are saying that it is a part of you. And if you do not love that which is a part of you in this point in time, how can you love others? Yes. Well, I think we have distinguished
[00:40:30] uh there in our our thinking between loving ourselves as um as a a consciousness or as a part of uh of God or whatever and distinguish between that and loving our physical body and that that's a seems to be a uh somewhat of a new idea to us. The physical body however though is that body which as you are aware you chose for this particular lifetime. Your physical body says a lot more about you than you realize. It has
[00:41:00] elements from all of your formal lifetimes tied into that particular body. For instance, winter's fingers can be shown that they were chopped off in another lifetime. The hands and the lines on your lines show the tragedy and the information and the spiritual uh growth that you have chosen over many many lifetimes. And again, if we use winter as an example, she has always had old hands because she is old. She is
[00:41:30] very old. Everyone is like this. Everyone has information in their body from the very soles of their feet to their knees to the very moles on their body which map out certain areas and territories that they have lived in past lifetimes. And so it's more than just uh your body is really a lot of air a lot of air. It is much like uh I think we used the
[00:42:00] example one time before a baseball in the middle of a giant stadium. Uh and to an ant looking up would just see air and energy. The ant does not really see you a body as you put it together. But nevertheless, you should love and take care of that which is physical that you see when you look into a reflecting object.
[00:42:30] Uh you mentioned um the um the importance of being uh having bodies be drug drugfree. I'd been wondering if there were there was any um um point uh in um using drugs for growth. people have tried to use specific kinds of drugs for um consciousness expansion and have uh found those experiences helpful sometimes. How do you uh how do you see
[00:43:00] that? Uh we are sure that you know we would say it is just something that is it is just uh certainly neither good nor bad. It is just something that they have chosen to do. And for some people they have opened other areas of awareness. Always with these people who do open those areas of awareness they eventually come full circle to realizing they cannot maintain
[00:43:30] those awareness states given drugs. They have to find other ways more natural ways to maintaining the state. So we're not saying it's good or bad. Perhaps in some instances it is an interesting phenomena that takes place. We of course would advocate the seeking out of the mind in ways other than
[00:44:00] uh those illusory elusor we are having trouble with this word those uh fantasy like um memes we're referring to um hallucinogens The most common drug that presents problems is uh well there are two. The first is alcohol because it deadens the
[00:44:30] senses and those who are drinking are really drinking to deaden the senses and to shut out what is being said to them. And what happens is their guardians speak louder and louder and they drink more and more. Uh, as you are aware, Winter went through a time when we ask her to cut out her one bottle of beer, merely to show her that although it was a small amount to her of alcohol, it did
[00:45:00] change the way she perceived things. Now that we have shown her that, she willingly makes a choice. whether she wants to hear us all the time or whether she wishes to have a glass of wine and tune us out. And that's fine. We find that with most people, they can make this adjustment. They need to be aware of what they're shutting out. The other
[00:45:30] drug is caffeine, which does the same thing as alcohol, only in the opposite direction. It speeds up the system so much you are not finely tuned and you are shutting out many things that are taking place. We could lump into that any stimulant such as tobacco or any other drugs that would increase the vibratory level of the body. What it does is it shifts the body off center
[00:46:00] and you miss. You are very clear about daytoday material things but you are very unclear and off the mark about spiritual and cosmic consciousness. Um what about marijuana and this connection? it would be lumped into the same category as alcohol for us in that
[00:46:30] it does depress the senses. And although people say they focus in so clearly on this or that, they really are missing so much more that is going on because of their focus stimuli. It is not actually different from the way all stimulant drugs also work on focusing in. So it's um the the claim that this helps
[00:47:00] to uh expand consciousness is essentially uh not so or not certainly not true in a helpful sense. Not in a helpful sense. Uh actually the drugs that as you are aware do expand most rapidly would be the hallucinogens but also because of the way the mind is working when one takes a drug of this type you are very liable to step off
[00:47:30] into more um unsavory energies than into very positive energies. Therefore, we suggest that you do not use any drugs, that you refine your eating habits, and that you pay more attention to exactly what is going on in the universe. Sugar is another. We could make a long list actually, but we will stop with the
[00:48:00] known drugs. I'm going to take a moment to switch to another tape.