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[00:17:00] differently from just dying in an old home. Were you conscious of some of these factors when you were in physical body? Yes, I was. I knew I had seen my death. I had had my own teachers appear to me just prior to the time that I died and they told me that I would be taking a journey where I would be in contact with them. I knew very well when it was going to take place and almost up to the
[00:17:30] moment prior to the occurrence. uh had this uh kind of information been available to uh through uh throughout your life? Yes. Yes. Much of this information was always available to me. I had several spiritual teachers that would appear to me actually in spirit form as you would say in my room. Not necessarily when I was in a meditative state. Often when I would just be alone
[00:18:00] or with others, I would see them appear and they would give me the message which I needed to hear. They were always with me. Were those around you uh aware of these kinds of uh activities with you? Some of my followers were. In fact, some of them were so closely u aligned with my own feelings and thoughts that they would at times see the wise person that
[00:18:30] I was speaking with. Others were not so aware or wish to tune it out. Others focused on me too much to see there was more there than just me. That's very interesting to us and we very much appreciate you sharing that uh that information with us. Um earlier I was asking um about your students and whether or not they had been in physical form and
[00:19:00] whether they would return and so on. And I'm wondering um um how big an issue is this being in physical form or not being in physical form in the universe generally? That is an interesting concept how big an issue. I would say that it is an issue because as the cluster has spoken before it is very it is a very important way to
[00:19:30] learn and to feel and to sense and through the physical form you're able to touch things a little bit differently than without the physical form. The seeing is not as important for you see without the eyes and the physical senses. But when you are wishing to touch or to make contact with another energy, it is a nice way to do so. It also gives you problems to work through
[00:20:00] just by the mere fact you're working with other energies in physical form and do not quite have the freedom that you have on this plane. But you as the co-creator set it up so that you would be in physical form and this is the way that it has been and therefore the design is obviously perfect. It's hard for us to remember that always. Um once uh entities though
[00:20:30] are at um your level does uh um is there any difference in terms of whether or not they have experienced a physical existence? The difference comes in very small ways, very small ways of knowing and acknowledging and in ways that if the energies at this level are going to work with energies on your plane, it is
[00:21:00] usually best that they have the actual experience of having been there. Often when energies are working with humans and they have not been on the physical plane, there can be some major items that they overlook because even on this plane, we have not reached the ultimate knowing yet. And so we tend to forget that there are some things lacking in our knowledge
[00:21:30] of awareness. Um, another question I wanted to ask um was um um whether those whether it's appropriate for us to think of uh of all of those us in now in physical form having come from
[00:22:00] different sources or different planes of reality uh different levels or whether it's uh whether we think of should think of ourselves as all coming from the same source. We will be talking about the same source later on in these sessions. It is time that we begin to talk about paradigms and what is taking place on the planet and what needs to be done. So of course ultimately it is all the same source. However, there are various
[00:22:30] levels of that source. There are various other realities. So, everyone on earth is not at the same level of spiritual development or of knowledge. This is important. Uh it makes the planet a more interesting place to be on and it makes the humans on the planet work a little bit harder for understanding. This is an important lesson that needs
[00:23:00] to take place on the planet today. Uh uh is is it um appropriate to think uh in terms of uh there being some level at which uh entities would never choose again to come into the physical. Yes. Yes. There reaches a point where the soul can only continue to grow toward perfection outside of the earth's
[00:23:30] plane. And of course, there is a level where they would not come back to reincarnate and be on the earth's plane. The if if humans could realize at what could realize the feelings that souls have the trauma that and fear that they have before they reincarnate, they would not be as afraid of death which
[00:24:00] has taken them back to this plane. It is again a paradox but also much of what humans are worried about are things that they have forgotten and are just not comfortable with. Uh I'm not sure if I understood you there. Were you saying that there is a souls might have trepidation about coming into the physical plane? Yes. Yes. always just before no matter how much they want to and no matter what
[00:24:30] contracts have been made with other souls out here just before they are going to come back to the earth's plane there is much fear more so than what you see when a person is getting ready to die when a person is getting ready to die there is a calm peace and contentment that comes around them but with souls coming back to the earth plain There is also the the fear of having to go through the whole process again and
[00:25:00] perhaps what they are wanting to accomplish they can see so clearly before they come in and they would like to leave out some of the problems that they will en encounter during their incarnation and go right to the meat of the issue as you would say. Uh are there some that are in such fear that they make the decision not to come? No. Once they are coming, it is a given
[00:25:30] they will come because they need to and most do need to and most do come. Uh is there some uh help for those who are in fear? Oh yes, there is always much help. many guardians around. And as the soul comes in and once the soul is born and the child is there, the child clearly see the guardians that are there to help him or her along. So they're there constantly. It is much like going down a
[00:26:00] long dark chute that you cannot quite see the end and a dropping off point. That tunnel that tunnel that we try to go through and coming to other levels of reality is just reversed. This is correct. Uh Robert Monroe um believes that um a
[00:26:30] major factor in souls recycling through physical form um is our addiction to the emotions. uh could you speak to that? I am familiar with his theory and his addiction to emotions. I do not see it as being the way that he conceives it because the emotions are there around the earth that souls can drop into. The emotions as we have discussed before
[00:27:00] that are most important is the the concept of love, the feeling of love and that is here much more and much stronger than the emotions that you're going to feel on the physical plane. The sexual content would be more likely to be what a soul might become addicted to. But automatically the soul is going to be moving through the various chakras of the body. And after having experiencing a strong lifetime of sexual prowess, the
[00:27:30] soul will automatically be moving on up and channeling that energy into a greater awareness. The the concept of a soul being addicted or striving to return just for the emotions is not one that is consistent with this soul clusters way of thinking.
[00:28:00] Oh, very good. Thank you. Um I have a good many other questions prepared but because I I I know that uh we are going to have a number of sessions now uh available to us in a fairly short period but I wonder if it would be uh good now to save some of those and hear more of the things you wish to tell us. That would be fine. You may save them and we will proceed with just some of the things that we feel is important to be coming through at this
[00:28:30] point in time. As you are aware, many of the fields of science on the earth's plain are all beginning to explore the new age concepts, the concepts of paradigms of what is taking place of soul, of life, death, and what have you. The time has come now for the scientists to begin to merge their their research to merge their
[00:29:00] concepts into a oneness. This oneness is more than what has been known as a holistic concept because this particular oneness takes into account that area of knowledge that is outside of the traditional way of thinking. We wish to bring to the forefront the thought that the body is within the soul and not in the reverse
[00:29:30] order. We will be wishing to bring to the front the concept of the need for looking back at the what was called on your planet the big bang theory. the concept of how the earth was created and for what reasons and to look and to establish that there is without a doubt a way of thinking of thought form and
[00:30:00] thought travel that is universal and should be used. The needed objective at this point in time is to to bring those individuals who are, as you would call, new age thinkers out of their closets and into the forefront because there are at this point in time too many groups, too many special interest groups not necessarily on the right track who
[00:30:30] are wreaking havoc and destruction on the Earth's planet. it and these negative energies can have an adverse effect to all that the groups like you are trying to to do. So what we would like to do would be to find a way to bring forth the information about about this concept of universal knowledge and enlightenment and to take
[00:31:00] away the old paradigms specifically paradigms that have been founded in the field of psychology which originally was for learning of the soul and study of the soul and certainly not whatever it has gotten into today but to look at the field of psychology, anthropology as well as physics and to merge these science sciences so that one universal order and one universal
[00:31:30] science comes forth. We will pause now. Do you have questions? Well, I just think it's fascinating that you've been working with me this week, I guess, to develop my questions because one whole page of my questions have to do with the Big Bang theory and the things that follow from that and the concept of you the universal mind and universal memory. Uh, so what a coincidence. What a coincidence. You've been here before
[00:32:00] today. Yes. Yes. Would you like to proceed with questions? Would you like for us to proceed? Um well uh I guess I would like to have you proceed and then I will try to fit my questions in wherever they're appropriate. Very well. Let us begin with the concept of the big bang theory. This is a theory that we have discussed at one point before as we talked about
[00:32:30] how souls and everything spun off at at the same rate casting out and going out to become you and all of the entities around you. The point of the bing bang theory and actually there must be other terms for that are better that could be broken out and more easily defined. The whole point of the big bang theory is that light reaches the earth at the
[00:33:00] same intensity everywhere. There is much in science that would show that indeed the start of this particular galaxy and planet and civilization all began at once. If you were to go to your mathematicians and work through numerical forms, you would find that the numerical forms all resolve out to the same numerical numbers. There is much on