Robert A. Monroe - Miscellaneous GATEWAY Transcripts

Bob: Very simple, as far as I’m concerned. Use all the common tests. How would you test that you’re here right now? I’m being quite serious about it. You can use the same test procedures. The interesting one, of course, in the out of body, is - and it’s somewhat a similar pattern as a lucid dream, in the sense that here’s a guy staring you in the face like this, and pointing his finger at you. And you say, you don’t exist, and you go away, that’s a dream figure. But if he says, “Come on, let’s fight," it’s no dream. Do you understand what IT mean? You can give a test. So, you can reach out and pat him on the cheek, and he says, “Let’s be friends," and he comes and pats you on the cheek, --- PAGE 9 (OCR) --- wo that’s pretty real stuff. Do you follow? Use any system, and follow that along. And there are, indeed, if you think your imagination is good, there are systems available that you can encounter, that make your imagination look like a little piece of crude drawing. And not of your origin, I might add, which is the other part of it. But don’t worry about that. That’s what you got a Rebal for. Audience: Last year in the Guidelines you said you got some technical information ______ 2? that some of the people in the booth were producing square brain waves? Bob: Square waves, go shead, yeah - Audience: And I was wondering whether you found out any correlation between that and say, altered consciousness? Bob: No, and I can tell you the misconceptions. Were you in Guidelines? {Yes} Well, you’re recycling! You’re a real recylcer! Audience: I’m here for the fun this timet Bob: I know, good. That’s wonderful. The best answer I can tell you in terms of the square waves - you know what those were? They were not EEG waves, these were square DC voltage waves. And that’s what - they were about - about one second in duration, and they go up, cross, down, up, cross, down, like that. Just like the escarpment on a castle, you know? That type of thing. And that’s exactly the way they looked. We don’t know why. In all the people we tried to find out as to Lhe what and why. No, we could not find any correlation between the three or four different people that did it, into what they were doing at the --- PAGE 10 (OCR) --- time that this occurred. Or the wave form that they were listening to in the Hemi-Sync. So, I don’t have an answer. And we took it to the extent of what we could and then promptly forgot about it. That’s the truth of it. Can’t find an answer, stick it under the rug! Yes sir Audience: (can’t hear? Bob: Oh, I got a neat answer tu that, that is good and solid. And I think, perhaps, you have to get this straight, because it is the real answer to where I happen to be. Where I am now. It’s like 4 monkey falling out of a tree, or something, but it works very similarly. In 1956, my company, which I owned, was one of the leading producers of radio network programs. In other words, at our peak, which was about 1954, ‘55, we were doing 28 radio network programs a week. And that’s a lot. And, in 1956 we had begun to get into television. And in getting into TV, one of the key ones was, we had been doing a quiz show. And we put the quiz show over into television, and we found all we had changed was to put a picture on it. Same cast, samé emcee, same warm-up, same set; because we were doing it at the Longaker Theater, right off Broadway. So, everything was the same, except that we had a picture. We were putting a picture to it. And after we began to steadily do that, it became apparent that I and my staff, and my family would all have to move to Hollywood, to the west coast. Now, I had commuted to Hollywood, and back and forth for five years, every week. And that was enough. And I thought, well, there’s got to be something else that one can do other than --- PAGE 11 (OCR) --- 1a do this cyclic thing, and do these things all over again, and put @ picture to them. So, what happened in 1956 - I looked around, and being somewhat of an academic family - I thought, how can I use what we have so far, to educate? And how it works, who can tell? But, we started researching in 1956, a means of helping people learn during sleep, if you can believe that. And we produced a lot of audio tapes. And these are reel-to-reel tapes at that time, in systems and methods of how to get people asleep in the first place. That was the trick. How to get ’em asleep so we could teach them something. And we went into four or five, basically, one of the early things we did, of course, was in language learning. To learn languages during sleep. But we had to get them to sleep first. And how we devised that was, and that was the first frequency following response - right there. In late ’56, that we developed to help these subjects, test subjects, to get to sleep. And we started working in that area in 1956. I was the chief subject. Because, quite by nature, I’m the most curious one of all. And there was no one more curious than I, so I was the one who was the prime subject in all of these things. And the consensus is right now, these days, that that was the cause of my getting, of falling out of the tree, as it were, and moving inadvertently out of my body in 1958. Was that 150-plus sessions of exposure to these particular tapes. And that was where the original frequency following response started. Isn’t that interestin --- PAGE 12 (OCR) --- Audience: Yes! (More I can’t hear) Bob: Oh, goodness sakes, yes. To give you an idea - when was it, Friday? The lab wanted me to come and listen to a particular new type of tape. And I started to listen to it, about three minutes of it, and I put it off. TI couldn’t stand it. I was being phewwwww, like that. Tt was just pulling me down. TI said, Stopt There are certain frequencies to which I’m very sensitive. And by that, they’re not harmful, they just direct me in a place I don’t want to go at the given time, you see. And I have a hard time resisting. So, the answer is very much, yes. Audience: (Can’t hear) Bob: What was the event? What did she do that was ~ What was the experience, was it ~ Audience? It was an incredible feeling ------77- 7777777? Bob: I have a very profound answer for that. And I’m glad that you brought it up. It is an answer, I’11 put it that way. Certainly, but I don’t want to get to that tonight because that opens up a huge keg of something. But, I will see ~- just go like that, will you? And that will remind later on this week to get to that. Because there is a thing related to it that, again, you should check and find out. It has to do with an amazing thing that has developed for me in the last four or five years. And it’s gotten to be a knowing with me. It’s a long story. But would you do that? Because it is important that I get to that particular thing. I can put it this way, and it will just titillate all of you no end. And T got to do that, what the heck! --- PAGE 13 (OCR) --- 13 Put it this way, the funniest thing t hat you will find out is that someone “Up there” likes you. as to who the someone ist That makes sir. Audience: (can’t hear) Bob: I have another approach to what and superconscious. Again... (fend But you’ll be so astounded it worse, doesn’t it? Yes we classify as subconscious side 1) --- PAGE 14 (OCR) --- BOB’S TALK - 10.7.90 Side 2 To think your subconscious is, I can get that easy. That’s your animal sub-self to a very great degree. Super conscious, that’s something else. Well, better if the word differed. Do that Wednesday night, hmm? No, not tonight. Audience: (can’t hear) Bob: The reason why I don’t want to do this. Hopefully, some of you will find this out for yourselves. That’s the reason. I’m trying to not to have you do what I do, but find a lot of approaches to this for yourself. If you don’t find it out ~ night, to heck with it, I’11 Audience: (Can’t hear)? Bob: You got snowed in? {More I can’t hear from audience} Well, good for you. Well, this was here - this was not 4 dream or a? This actually took place, you were asleep on a yacht? Alright, go ahead. {more audience describing her experience} That’s beautiful, gracious. {more from her} You’re the only one that can have the answer, of course. That’s why I keep backing you into it, again. But that’s beautiful, that’s fine. That someone up there likes you, does a nice job on you - go ahead. Don’t worry about it, great. You can find that out, with the tools that you have and that you’re learning. Absolutely, I can tell you this much without being too dogmatic, will help you discover all you need to know about that. {she keeps on... .«) Well, I just had a TV interview Tuesday, this past week. And I think the girl half-believed me, which is the other part. I said, “Look, this interview is 20% about this other stuff, and --- PAGE 15 (OCR) --- 7 10% at the most on the other, and 10% you can have what you want. But only 10% is about out of body, “cause that’s not our main thrust at all." And she said, "Oh yes!" And I said, “Because if you don’t, “ I said, "I’m going to send the Blue Ghost after yout" You know, I think she really believed me! Weird stuff, yeah. Audience: (Can’t hear) Bob: Remember Joshua tapping on the wall? And you’re thinking over here, and you’re tapping on the wall here? You can think all you want over here, as long as you’re tapping on the wall and punching a hole through the box, you see? I know it’s very poor symbolism. Just fill that security repository box clear full. Just dump stuff in it. It is s very good device to do this, incidentally. Pro-tem, throw your desire to analyze in for the moment. You can always yank it back out, when the appropriate time is. And then you will. But just throw that - leave the curiosity here, and take the analytical part and dump it in the box, and slam the lid down. Audience: _____ ?did you ever have someone who didn’t come out of it? Bob: No. It takes longer, is all. Your desire’s too hard. Put the desire in. That’s the point. Be casual about it. In other words, you’re trying to grab, like this. When you ought to be just like this. See the difference? And it’s very important. So take that - and - you have an urgent need, and you’re trying to express it and hold on to it, take something. I assure you, if you can just put that drive for, that need, put that in the box, --- PAGE 16 (OCR) --- 4 fear. Not having a fear, what do I do? And I did try all sorts of things. And then I found I was limited, and that was frustrating, believe met The first 60 to 70 Limes, I couldn’t get any farther than 30 feet away from that physical body. I went like this. Nothing would happen. But slowly, then, I was able to learn how - and mind you, I had a support system - ’cause soon after that I started this R&D program in my company. To find out, really, it was the same - it just diverted us - one that was researching sleep, I diverted it to find out, what’s going on here, so that I could (eek them out?)>. And that’s what happened. And so, that’s how we began to develop wave forms, sound wave forms that would hold me here, bluntly. And you’re using one form of that right now. When you use a signal that you say, now I’m going to count from 190 down to 1 and bring you back, we're using a signal to get you back here. That’s why your eyes pop open. Audience: (Can’t hear) Bob: You are developing a system that you can do that. Believe me, I can tell you without much equivocation. When you go to 12, and after you get into 12 and play around in 12, you have it under control. You’1ll be able to come back from 12 to 1. You’ll have it under control. Find it where it locates. We have a whole system emerging here. And one of those along that way is the hook that will control this for you. If it doesn’t, I’ll... must be something! But see what I’m getting at? Is that these very systems - --- PAGE 17 (OCR) --- w and lie back and just let it happen. And then you can always -