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Robert A. Monroe Interview - 1987-09-28 - KVMR Interview with Haines Ely

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[1316.0-1318.5] It may be every time for all I know. [1318.5-1321.6] Is there any way to get a jump-start? [1321.6-1325.3] Could you come around, let's say, to the people here at the Institute and say, I'm [1325.3-1328.3] going to give you a hand getting out? [1328.3-1336.7] Well, I think I can say this to you now, because in the position where you are, perhaps [1336.7-1339.2] I would not have yesterday. [1339.2-1344.1] But there is that kind of assistance when we conduct such a program here. [1344.1-1350.2] The program here is beyond description and words, I think, for the listener. [1350.2-1357.5] What Bob Monroe does here at the Monroe Institute is he has about, I think, 26 isolation chambers [1357.5-1362.8] where people lie down and put on earphones and listen to Bob talk to them and listen [1362.8-1367.3] to special sounds that he's created called hymnsink. [1367.3-1371.7] And these things have a profound effect on your consciousness, and I think every single [1371.7-1376.6] person that's been here has been profoundly affected, but it's almost impossible to describe [1376.6-1378.4] some of those odd things. [1378.4-1382.0] But could you explain just briefly what hymnsink is? [1382.0-1391.0] I could perhaps demonstrate it more effectively, but not knowing the facility under which [1391.0-1396.2] this might be broadcast, if it were stereo, such as FM stereo, would be very easy to [1396.2-1397.2] demonstrate it. [1397.2-1398.2] It is FM stereo. [1398.2-1399.2] Is FM stereo? [1399.2-1401.2] Would you like to have a demonstration of it? [1401.2-1403.9] Sure, this is full spectrum listener supported radio. [1403.9-1408.3] Hold on just a minute and we'll see if we can't put that together. [1408.3-1419.8] A tone in one ear. [1419.8-1421.8] Notice that it is steady. [1421.8-1427.0] It is even without fluctuation. [1427.0-1445.8] Now we will shut it off and place another slightly different tone in the other ear. [1445.8-1455.4] Notice that it is also steady, even without fluctuation. [1455.4-1471.5] Now when I put the first tone back into the other ear, you will hear both at the same time. [1471.5-1473.5] But there is a difference. [1473.5-1477.9] You start to hear a wavering of a brato in the tone. [1477.9-1482.1] When you hear this, your brain is beginning to act in unison. [1482.1-1487.9] The two halves of your brain, the hemispheres, are starting to act and perform electrically [1487.9-1490.0] as one unit. [1490.0-1496.3] This is what is described as hemispheric synchronization, or hemisphenic, as we call it. [1496.3-1502.3] This greater, natural brain-mind power is what you will learn to use. [1502.3-1523.5] So relax for a moment and explore this new feeling of hemisphenic. [1523.5-1528.8] So there you have a pretty good description and demonstration of what this hemisphenic [1528.8-1530.7] process is. [1530.7-1535.7] We have been working with it for the last 20 some years and we have various frequencies [1535.7-1539.0] generated in that fashion for various purposes. [1539.0-1545.2] And certainly the simplest of those is to be able to get a good night's sleep. [1545.2-1550.4] The other end of that simplicity is to stay awake when you need to stay awake. [1550.4-1556.7] In between all of that, of course, is a multitude of various effects one can create with this [1556.7-1559.9] binaural beat in sound. [1559.9-1563.7] If you don't mind, Bob, we're going to take a short musical break and we'll be right [1563.7-1564.7] back. [1564.7-1579.0] You're listening to KVMR, full spectrum radio, 89.5, here in Nevada City. [1579.0-1582.6] The people that have learning disorders or affective disorders or conditions, let's say, [1582.6-1588.6] with aphasia caused by one half of the brain being damaged, would they be affected [1588.6-1591.1] by linking the two halves of the brain together? [1591.1-1592.5] Apparently so. [1592.5-1599.2] Some of the things that we've had, and I say we, I mean people associated with us, [1599.2-1605.0] have had considerable success and it has been spotty in the sense that it is not a broad [1605.0-1609.3] enough study to publish, at least as yet. [1609.3-1615.3] With autistic children, for example, and with dyslexic cases, one of the most profound [1615.3-1620.8] that I encountered, a psychologist friend on the West Coast, took me out to dinner one [1620.8-1630.8] night and this very lovely young waitress was specifically serving us and was very charming [1630.8-1636.0] and very verbal in her conversations with us. [1636.0-1641.5] And after we had taken our order and having served our dinner, my psychologist friend [1641.5-1645.8] turned to me and said, I thought you'd like to meet her before I tell you about her. [1645.8-1654.2] And it seems that he had, in the space of five weeks, converted her from an incoherent [1654.2-1661.2] dyslexic to the very conversational young woman that I had just met. [1661.2-1663.4] It was very much of a demonstration. [1663.4-1668.0] And he was using our hemisphere process. [1668.0-1671.8] It certainly has the ability to affect the physical body. [1671.8-1677.2] The tape that we heard this morning, just unbelievable effects were occurring in the [1677.2-1678.2] physical body. [1678.2-1681.2] And how do you devise those? [1681.2-1686.8] I know that's maybe a proprietary question, but how does one go about devising a system [1686.8-1691.3] of sounds in combination with HemiSync that will cause such a profound shift in the physical [1691.3-1692.3] body? [1692.3-1699.6] Well, unfortunately, the only historical thing we had to go on when we began this, and [1699.6-1704.3] you have to remember that my career has been in sound in the broadcasting field and in [1704.3-1705.4] music. [1705.4-1710.8] So this was something quite familiar to me and something very natural, this concept of [1710.8-1714.1] using sound. [1714.1-1720.2] What it took to develop what we call its frequency following response, where certain [1720.2-1729.7] sounds evoke an electrical brainwave response in the human brain, this took literally hundreds [1729.7-1738.3] of hours of simple trial and error because there were no guidelines to go on, no parameters. [1738.3-1745.8] The only thing that we had was the idea that binaural beats, that is alternate sounds or [1745.8-1752.9] sounds of different frequencies inserted in one ear and another one in the other, would [1752.9-1758.1] indeed produce different types of psychophysiological effects. [1758.1-1762.5] And that's all we had to go on, but there was no data to say that this frequency would [1762.5-1765.9] do this and that frequency would do that. [1765.9-1772.3] And it took us many years, and we began about 20 years ago and have been evolving ever since. [1772.3-1777.2] And then we developed, of course, the combinations of frequencies and the effects of those combinations. [1777.2-1781.8] And that's what we use mostly these days, our combinations of binaural beat frequencies [1781.8-1787.3] in any given particular application. [1787.3-1791.2] The show that I promised the listener today was one about out-of-body experience or astral [1791.2-1792.2] travel. [1792.2-1796.0] And since I've been here this week, I've heard almost no talk about that. [1796.0-1800.0] I mean, this institute, I think, drew people originally or probably drew people. [1800.0-1804.9] through me originally because I read your books and I was fascinated by the idea of out-of-body [1804.9-1810.2] experiences and yet when you get here the focus isn't on that at all. What do you think the [1810.2-1814.4] focus of this place is on or what have you created it to be on? [1814.4-1821.7] The focus, as I stated originally in my opening lecture to this particular group and I do [1821.7-1829.7] it to every group, is that there is no possible way that anyone can guarantee within a given [1829.7-1836.5] series of exercises in a short time the ability to consciously, controllably move in the out-of-body [1836.5-1843.5] state because there is this overview that has to be developed, this perspective before [1843.5-1850.4] this can possibly take place. Now what we do of course is give you the tools to one, [1850.4-1854.4] change that overview and that's of course what's been happening to you is that your [1854.4-1860.9] overview has been changing steadily every day and perhaps often from hour to hour. Once [1860.9-1866.6] you develop that overview and A and B begin to exercise control over your consciousness [1866.6-1872.1] then you can achieve willfully the out-of-body state. [1872.1-1879.3] The goal of achieving out-of-body state, would that be a valid goal for you? [1881.0-1892.0] I just have to ask you immediately the most basic question. What would you do if you were [1892.0-1894.8] proficient in the out-of-body state? What would you do? [1894.8-1901.6] Well at first I would play, at first I think I would just, just like a human or a puppy [1901.6-1905.1] when it's young, it just runs around chases its tail and plays and then I suppose as I [1905.1-1912.4] matured I would start exploring or start looking for others, friends. I think the [1912.4-1916.8] universe is really our relationship with others rather than the physical stuff. I think I [1916.8-1921.2] would probably end up looking for others and I would probably be looking for others who [1921.2-1926.5] are in the same out-of-body place and as I've discovered from listening to your tapes [1926.5-1932.9] and hearing your explorers sometimes what is discovered is not Joe down the street [1932.9-1937.3] who also happens to be asleep at night but perhaps some entity that's on a different [1937.3-1940.1] wavelength a little bit more advanced or perhaps a little more interesting than our [1940.1-1942.2] neighbors. [1942.4-1949.1] Well then you're beginning to understand it a little bit. You have to begin to layer your [1949.1-1955.2] experience and you indicated it quite well. Yes you would go play and after the play [1955.2-1960.1] after a while you get bored, strangely enough. You get really bored by working in the [1960.1-1966.7] out-of-body state or being in it because one, the playmates as it were are not that [1966.7-1973.9] immediately available. It's a paradox but because of the cultural set in which we [1973.9-1981.1] live the ones that you might meet in the out-of-body state don't have that [1981.1-1987.2] willfulness that you have. So some of them are performing or doing things that you [1987.2-1992.6] particularly don't want to do and because of that you can't disengage them [1992.6-1996.2] from the things that they want to do and yours is different. You don't want to [1996.2-2003.0] play the same games for example or go through the same experiences so you go to [2003.0-2013.0] find your like meaning someone who is quote like you. So doing that in turn what [2013.0-2020.9] we attempt to do in establishing and giving you means of expanding this [2020.9-2026.4] consciousness give you many many options that you do not have before and [2026.4-2033.8] certainly then you will it's sort of like a crib sheet almost in the sense that [2033.8-2041.4] you can achieve certain things in the out-of-body state and bypass all of the [2041.4-2048.7] ritualistic seeming necessities which aren't necessities at all. The explorers [2048.7-2052.4] that I mentioned are people that you put in these units that we're in and [2052.9-2057.7] have had them take control out of body experiences and report back who they've [2057.7-2063.3] encountered or what they've encountered and you mentioned that until you used an [2063.3-2067.2] affirmation that these people were having not much luck encountering any intelligent [2067.2-2072.7] life outside of our system. Nowadays everybody in Nevada City is a channel [2072.7-2076.3] and I mean literally but but you run into people who say I'm channeling and [2076.3-2080.4] you read books by people who are challenging channeling and they're not