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[00:52:30] him. And anyway, we went through this. So, they put this substance in me that flowed through me. It was like white energy and I tricked them a little bit and said, "Yeah, a little more. Give me a little more cuz that's my personality." And anyway, they gave me a little more than they were supposed to. But after that, I had two other entities come that shut the shut the gate. Mhm. And they said, "No more. You're done for a while." And and I said, "Why? I passed
[00:53:00] my test. I'm doing okay. Why are you locking me out?" And they wouldn't tell me anything about it. Except then one said, "You need to grow up like a normal kid. If you grow up too weird, you're going to end up in an institution and it isn't going to work well." How old were you? Probably eight at that time. I was about eight. So they shut the door and I was no able not no longer able to do that. By then I was
[00:53:30] doing it on my own. I was okay. I could get out of body and and come back on my own. But that shut me out. And it wasn't until Bob Monroe was telling me about his test that he had taken when all that memory poured back like 20 years later. 20 years later. Yeah. And it's like, oh wow. Yeah. It was about almost right very close to 20 years later and I remembered test that I had taken while I was in that training. So it all came
[00:54:00] back. Yeah. It all just flowed back into me and suddenly I went from not even aware of it at all to every detail just just dump back as I told him just hang on a minute. I'm processing and it took me about a minute to get it all in. But that was I was shut out because it wasn't wasn't going to be good for me to be to be that fil with the out of body
[00:54:30] stuff and still be a kid because I would have said I met I have these un these friends I do things and all I would have been judged as some kind of mental case and that wouldn't have been good. So it came back when I was ready to deal with it and then we went on from there. But tests are often given people who who are trying to go out of body. They read about it and they want to do it, but they're frightened and they get out of body and suddenly they're a stranger in a strange land and they don't have any
[00:55:00] idea. Are there monsters live here or what, you know, and they and they have a fear of the unknown and that fear of the unknown will manifest into some scary thing. And often they will come back frightened, out of body with a terrifying experience and they won't try to do it anymore because it frightens them. Well, the whole point of this virtual reality that we're in is to get rid of fear, not create more fear. So
[00:55:30] often tests are given right at the process of trying to get out of body. A monster will show up with big fangs with blood dripping off of them or something and growl at somebody or a couple of thugs will come by and and beat you up or something will happen. And if you deal with it well, which is not to be afraid of it, you know that monster say, "Well, hello. Nice meeting you here. Have a have a good day." And then the monster turns into smoke and disappears.
[00:56:00] You see? But if it's ah then back in the body you go and you're not ready yet. So these tests are given to keep people who really shouldn't be there from being there and you know before they're ready because what will happen? They'll get so terrified that then they're worse off than they were before they started. And that's against what the system's trying to do. It's trying to help people grow up and get rid of their fears, increase the quality of their consciousness so it
[00:56:30] works with us. And those people who are ready and experience it, they just get to experience a little bit at a time. So it's one step after the next. It's in a learning process. So that's kind of how that works. And as it turns out, you know, I came to this much later. You know, I learned a whole lot just in the last 20 years since I published the books between then. I didn't just sit down and say I figured it all out. I've learned a whole lot in those last 20 years. And the the uh out
[00:57:00] of body can best be described as a single player game with a larger consciousness system. You basically fed a data stream. This virtual reality is a data stream and you get this data and the data describes the reality. You play an avatar that has to abide by the physical rules of the of that game. of that reality. And when you go out of body, you're you're on a single player game with the LCS who gives you
[00:57:30] experiences that will give you opportunities to learn something. Sometimes they're scary. Sometimes, you know, for instance, your young men, okay, young men almost always find themselves in the first, I don't know, first years or even the first decade they get out of body. They're fighting evil. They're into the fighting evil mode because that's where young men are, you know, and they take their sword of truth and they go out and do battle with the forces of evil and it's that kind of a,
[00:58:00] you know, almost a martial arts kind of thing. But it turns into a struggle, good against evil, and the young guys do that, but eventually they have to outgrow that. That's not what it's about. It's not about fighting and vanquishing evil with your weapons, you know, that's so you outgrow it and then eventually that doesn't happen anymore. You don't run into any more evil guys out there. They're all gone now because that was a learning experience that was given to them. That
[00:58:30] was a genuine out of body. But they got that experience because that's where they were. That's their sense of reality and how you deal with it. You deal with you deal with the bad things by by fighting them. Well, there are whole religions that get stuck there that that reality is a war between the forces of good and the forces of evil. And they never outgrow that. That is a thing. But you know, so that's if you talk to 20somes and early 30somes about their
[00:59:00] out of bodies, you'll find a lot of fighting going on but and a lot of monsters and evil things, but that's not really the way it is. Well, I gather once you were reawakened by your conversation with Robert Monroe, then things really began to accelerate. They did. They accelerated very quickly. I immediately got right back into that groove that just as I had left it and I suddenly had a lot more facility in the auto body. I knew how to do things because all that came that came back.
[00:59:30] Yes. So then I started doing once I pulled all that together, I started doing physics in the out of body state. I started doing experiments. Shouldn't say physics. I started doing experiments while I was out of the body. And the experiments are just basic science. You you know, we did things that were that were evidential because both Dennis and I said, "Well, if this doesn't turn out to be real, you know, we we'll be out of here. But
[01:00:00] meanwhile, we'll we'll go along see what we can do. So everything was evidential cuz we were trying to prove to ourselves that it was real. He's an engineer. I'm a physicist. We're hard cases as far as proving that, you know, all this stuff is real. So we did remote viewing and then found out whether we were right or wrong with targets. We read numbers on the wall that Bob would go out and write on a big chalkboard he had in the in the next room. We would heal all the things that are basically paranormal things. We did them in order to gather evidence and
[01:00:30] remote viewing we did most because that's where the evidence lies. You get an immediate right or wrong at the end of it. So we did a lot of that. We did projection of times. We said what's the headline going to be on the newspaper this day next week that kind of thing you know looking at time. At that time I didn't have any idea what was going on. You know it was all a bit magical. I knew it was it had rules. It wasn't random. So I wanted to find out what were the rules. How could you you know I
[01:01:00] wanted to make science out of it. So I do say healing or or remote healing. I change a variable. All right. I'll I'll enter it this way or I'll have this frame of mind or I will get this deep or that deep or I'll do things differently. I changed I I looked with diet and that's when I stopped eating sugar because I found out that if I had sugar that my mind was more unstable and I it wasn't as easy to finally
[01:01:30] control what was going on. But by then Dennis and I had each, you know, hundreds and hundreds of times gone to these states and whatever. So we were pretty good at getting to those states and maintaining them more or less precisely and getting back to them the next day and the next week. So, I could go there and change a variable and say, "All right, I'm going to heal. This time I'm going to spend, you know, an hour on healing this thing, and then I'm going to work on it all week, and the next time I'm just going to glance at it and
[01:02:00] heal." But with intensity, and how does it work? And with healing, of course, you have to do statistics because if you take somebody's headache away, well, it may have just gone away anyway, you know, so you don't know. So you have to take a hundred people's headaches away and then you know if they went if 80 of them went away right after you worked on them now you start to get some some statistical evidence. So I did that change a variable try it again change a variable try it again and I continued
[01:02:30] that for like the next 30 years and that's basically how I then came up with this model. It was from the evidence that I got through that that constantly changing variables and see how it affected trial and error. Trial and error, trial and error for about 35 years. And then I thought I knew enough about it that I could write the books and understand consciousness. Those books didn't start out as a theory of everything. They started out as really
[01:03:00] an explanation of consciousness and how it worked. I understand there were some very dramatic healings that took place. Oh yeah, I've had well I've done a lot of healings and probably thousands of them and I'd say, you know, 5, 10, 15 of them were rather dramatic. I had several that way. Actually, there's a book that's going to come out shortly by a young lady, Sylvia Kuzman Crawford,
[01:03:30] and um she was a 14-year-old girl, lived in my subdivision. and I was friends with her parents. She got in a car accident and broke both of her thigh bones, both of her femurss, broke her other parts of her legs, broke arms, broke she was really torn up. She was in the back of a station wagon and she was right where the impact occurred and she should have died. Matter of fact, they called in and
[01:04:00] said, "We got this girl, but it's not likely she's going to make it." So, they weren't expecting a live girl to show up at the hospital, but she did. And her mother called me when she was in transit because I talked a little bit about what I was doing cuz I was going out to Bob's all the time. And I I shared not much of it, but just just a little bit. And her mother was desperate for anything that might help. So, she called me up and said, "Sylvie's on her way to the emergency room. They said
[01:04:30] that she, you know, might bleed to death. we don't know. She was terrified. She says, "Anything you can do to help?" So, I did and I did help her. I did help her get through it. And I later, Sylvia was um curious about some things. So, I told her what I had experienced and what I did. And she got more and more into it. Now, she's written a book about that experience. So, that was one that was rather miraculous. And actually that one