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[00:27:00] logical side and I didn't find it easy. When I was in high school I found the mathematics to be difficult because it was too much process. So I worked on it and worked on it. Eventually, by the time I'm in graduate school in physics, it was easy. Mhm. You know, I got to the point that math was simple. It was easy. It was just rules. All you had to do is learn the rules and it was it wasn't all that hard. You could understand what it
[00:27:30] was doing and what it wasn't doing. I want to highlight what you just said because I recall at the end of the third volume of your three volume set you you say there's one important lesson that you want to share with people which is if they work hard and apply themselves they can accomplish things. Yes indeed you can. But you have to understand that you have to accomplish things in both sides. Mhm. You need to accomplish things on the intellectual side. And
[00:28:00] most people in our culture spend their whole lives honing that intellectual side. They read, they study, they grow. But on the intuitive side, most people in our culture peaked in their ability to use the intuitive side when they were say three years old and it's been deteriorating ever since. Downhill. And and it's gotten to the point where people in the intellectual community denigrate intuition. Exactly. Exactly. Now the person who has developed both is
[00:28:30] a balanced person. What happens is that if you're dominantly logical, you're dominantly left brain, that left brain jumps in to your efforts to work with your intuition and gets in the way. You know, you're trying to talk to your dead uncle Fred and you say, "Dad Uncle Fred, are you out there?" And then you hear this voice, "Yes, hello." and your intellect jumps in and says, "Oh, did you just make that up? Did you hear
[00:29:00] that? Where did that come from?" And now your intellect has jumped in to solve the problem and it's gone. The intuitive side withers, disappears, and you're left with nothing. So to get balanced though, well, let me say the opposite too. If you're very rightrained and have no logical side, then you can't function very well in this world. This world requires you to be intellectual. It requires you to
[00:29:30] think. It requires you to follow directions. It requires you to understand how things work. It requires you to change the oil in your car. You know, there's things you have to keep track of. So, the best way to be is extremely rightrained and extremely leftrained at the same time. And then what happens is they work together as partners. Because when you're mostly rightrained and intuitive, your intuition kind of refuses logic. It looks at logic and that's too cumbersome. I can just skip
[00:30:00] all that and go to the answer. I I don't need to go through all that stuff. And vice versa, your your intellect throws out, you know, the intuition. So the two fight with each other for dominance. Once you have them both about equal, then they cooperate. And now your left brain gets the information, passes it over to the I mean your right brain gets the information, passes it over to the left brain to do some analysis back over to the right brain to get more
[00:30:30] information that you need for the analysis and the two just pass the thing back and forth to where you now live in a whole brain world where you're not out of balance, you're in balance and the two halves of your mind work together very well as teammates rather than as one trying to dominate. ate the other. So, back to your visit with Robert Monroe. We we have you driving out there to Whistlefield Road to to his farm uh in
[00:31:00] two cars, but eventually you became more of a a permanent fixture. I did. Yes. Bob and Row took the bunch of us up to his lab, which was just an empty building. Had really nothing in it, but just sheetrock on the walls and a roof. And he said, "I have this lab. I want to study consciousness. I want to understand what's happened to me. I want to understand this out of body. And I'm looking for some some scientists." And
[00:31:30] we were all scientists. This is this is what our job was. So we were all scientists and and mathematicians and engineers and so on. So he said, "Would any of you like to participate?" And because I'd been a student all my life, my hand shot up in the air. And guy behind me was just a few years older than I was. And he both of us had had experiences that were not part of this reality. So we were very curious and we
[00:32:00] wanted to spend time studying these phenomena because we were interested in them. So we raised our hands. He determined that I was a physicist. The other guy was an electrical engineer. and he said, "Okay." And then, oh, I don't know, a month later, Bob went, you know, Bob went off on a on a trip someplace. And when he came back, we started going to the lab. And after that, we were coming out there anywhere from 15 to 20 hours a week. It was like a half-time job. And on weekends, we'd bring our families and we'd put our
[00:32:30] children and our wives into the booth and and so on. And after about um I don't know a year or so of that Dennis maybe it wasn't a year maybe after about a year of that Dennis came across an article uh by Auster in a scientific American back in the early to middle 60s and it was about binaural beats and they said Austster said that it the brain waves are entrained by binaural beats. So you listen to a binaural beat of 8 hertz and you get a
[00:33:00] brain wave. Energy starts to move toward the 8 hertz. So we said great, let's try it out. So Dennis borrowed some stuff from the from the double e lab at the university and I borrowed some stuff from the physics lab at the university and we put together some binaural beat tapes. Dennis actually produced the first one and we went out to experiment. So we started with that and it worked so well that when Bob came back from
[00:33:30] another trip he was on, we told him about it, he listened to them. Then we started bringing everybody else that we could grab hold of, including our families, to listen to them just to see what the effects were. And we found out that the effect was was obvious on almost everyone. Now, they all didn't have the same reaction. Some people just instantly lost consciousness and would regain them when it was over. what they later termed that clicking out. And some people found them annoying, but most
[00:34:00] people found that they had a very pleasant drifting around and barely conscious kind of a space and then they would often get pictures or connect with hear things, see things and it obviously was a step forward. So Bob then well Dennis and I had played to optimize this barnal beats before Bob got back. So we looked at different waveforms you know mostly you get sinosoid when you just get stuff off the shelf but we did you
[00:34:30] know saw waves triangle waves every kind of waveform we could find. We did different uh bass frequencies. We did different beat frequencies. And after about two weeks, spended probably more than 20 hours in the lab. You know, those two weeks, we optimized what we thought were great. Bob came back, we showed him this, Bob got excited about it, tried it on lots of people, and Bob got the idea that this could be a business. Let's define for our viewers
[00:35:00] who may not know what we mean by binaural beats. Okay, the binaural beat takes two tones at a small difference between them. So let's say we have 100 htz and 104 hertz. And if you take the 100 hertz tone and put it in this right ear and the 104 hertz tone and put it in that left ear, those two tones go up into the oral nerves which go across and opposite sides like usual. And you end
[00:35:30] up with a beat frequency that you can actually hear quote unquote hear not through the eard drum but here in your mind at the corpus colosum that's the membrane between the two hemispheres. So you have one frequency in this hemisphere 100 104 in that hemisphere and they mix. They mix and you get the difference between the two which is four hertz is a beat. Now, if you just took those two things and put them out in the
[00:36:00] air, say you here's a speaker for 100, here's a speaker for the for the 104, and you played them, you would hear a four hertz beat. You would hear both of the tones, but you also would hear a four hertz beat. Now, a four hertz beat means four beats per second. Yeah. You know, you can think if you count fast 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4. It's that kind of a you'd hear that going on in the air because the two frequencies mix in the air. And when
[00:36:30] they mix, it's a little math will show you that. But when they mix, you end up with a beat frequency that's equal to the difference between the two. And Bob had this experience of four hertz vibration just as he went out of body. And he reported that. So we started working for four hertz. That was our target just because Bob experienced that. And we found four hertz actually was something like 3.878 or something like that, but really
[00:37:00] close to four hertz that was optimal for creating this state in which your mind was open to other things. You let go of the physical world. And by that I mean is you stop processing physical data. If you're lying on a bed and at the lab there were water beds in three three booths in a row and you get in the water bed and you stop feeling that you have pressure on your back from the water bed mattress. You stop you stop processing
[00:37:30] noises that you could hear in the lab and that you could hear outside. All that stuff just you stopped you ignored it. you ignored it to the point that it didn't exist and you started to then have other kinds of information that would come to you when the information of your senses was turned off and that's what we were looking for. So, we optimized that. Bob thought it was marvelous. He called up a lot of his friends and said, "Hey, we're going to
[00:38:00] do a we're going to do a uh a little experiment. I'm going to show you some new technology that works really great." and he uh rented the whole hotel right at the base of the Blue Ridge Mountains. It's went up he he didn't live that far from there. It was a Tuahoo Motel and uh he owned a cable company as we said. He wired it with cable and with other wires so that we could put GSR on everybody to kind of keep track of where they were in
[00:38:30] their mental state. And a lot of people about I don't know 15 people they became 20 people and they had experience after experience and we just booked all kinds of paranormal things were going on. The word got out and suddenly Bob was overwhelmed with people who wanted to try out his new out-of- body technology and he decided this was a business and in another 6 months after that myself and Dennis and at that time
[00:39:00] Nancy Lee Honeyut is called Scooter that's Bob's stepdaughter and Dennis and I we were on the road we were going to Boston and we were going to California and we laid it we made this big harness sound harness so we could play something and a whole bunch of people would lie down on on little air mattresses and put on headphones and we started to take the technology out and it was very popular and I assume you as well were experimenting personally. Oh yes, we
[00:39:30] would Dennis and I would come up every every time we were there it went like this. We go up, we'd work for about an hour or two hours cuz we'd get there like 6:30, 7:00 right after dinner. And we would work there putting together equipment, putting in new equipment, you know, fixing up things so that we could do more. We got an EEG that we could put on people. We wired that. And so we'd work in the lab for a bit. Then Bob would come up and we'd stop work and we'd go get in the booths and Bob would