Researching Brain Coherence at the Monroe Institute with Nancy Walter -- IDrSwabjses

[01:50:00] developing skills and training when it comes to to that. So, I could see where someone who is remote viewing says, "Oh, yeah, I'm in this brain state when I'm when I've got a hit on a target." I could see over time if they were accumulate enough data, they could make those assumptions for themselves. I wouldn't ne I wouldn't believe that it could then be applied um broadly to a a you know a larger population just to say [01:50:30] okay the stand you know the mean for the entire population having a out-of- body experience is going to be this brain wave pattern I wouldn't I wouldn't venture to go there but they are useful >> it sounds like if a person gets familiar with how either how they feel or or when they know they're in a brain state pattern and that tends to mean they're more on target. Kind of like if I'm doing a session and I start to feel [01:51:00] really relaxed, then I know that I can trust what's happening and I'll I'll tend to I'll see that I have good correlation to the target when I'm just in that like relaxed mode. And so if I was testing my brain waves, it might show at those moments like I'm more closer to theta or something. But you don't think I'd be able to say, "Oh, I [01:51:30] see this on my printouts, so that means the target must be an object or it must be a tree versus a boat." Like, there wouldn't be a way to be that discerning about the target type. At this point, >> think individually, if you were running yourself on the the device long enough, you might be able to make some assumptions. I don't know if the I don't know what the raw data would say, but [01:52:00] certainly as a as a feedback tool, they are useful much like paying attention. And I I've said this in other places that uh if you want to develop your intuition skills, you need to start paying attention very closely to what's going on during those times when you're right and when you're wrong. You know, when you get these feelings, what else is going on in your body? You know, is your heart rate going up or do you feel more relaxed? What's going on when you're when you're right versus when you're wrong? which is all which is also leads [01:52:30] to the find how much this feedback is necessary to develop these skills. I know in your courses that you teach, you have your students actually run sessions with other people that are are not in the class so that they can get that immediate feedback on whether they're right or wrong so that they can pay greater attention to their own internal states to then be able to gauge when they might be right in the future. So, [01:53:00] it's all about it's all about that feedback loop. That's very important. >> Well, I have two questions. I might not include this, but I'm just wondering, do you have any issues with acid reflux? >> I've had severe um gastrointestinal issues since I was probably eight or nine, maybe even earlier. I just asked because when we were talking about empathic resonance and synchronization, I [01:53:30] suddenly got this intense uh feeling of acid reflex and I was like, "Wow, that's weird. Where did that come from?" And then I was like, "Oh, I wonder if Nancy has any issues there." Then it it went away. since I was a kid. Yeah, I'm a in constant need of Tums and Pepto-Bismol and I'm on a I've tried all different kinds of diets and I am on a prescription. It's just my body naturally produces excessive [01:54:00] amounts of acid. >> One final question. So, Nancy, you obviously are very intuitive yourself. You've had all these experiences and yet you're also a scientist and researcher and how important do you feel it is for researchers of this subject matter to also at the very least have their own set of experiences. [01:54:30] >> I don't think it's necessary. I'm certain I'm a skeptical person and I've had people ask me how can you have these personal experiences and you know give people psychic readings or tarot readings or just pop off with information out of nowhere and still be skeptical about the whole field. And I tell people, you know, how do I know I'm not the crazy one in the [01:55:00] room? you know just because I'm having these experiences doesn't make them um true. I mean they are validating for other people. So I think it's having a healthy amount of skepticism but not being so staunchly doubt doubtful about the existence of these things especially in the in the face of so much evidence that these things do exist. I mean look at the global consciousness project the [01:55:30] work that you do the work that many of our colleagues do um you know Dr. Hennessy Powell Dr. Bem Dr. you know Simmons Moore and Julia Dr. Mosbridge, one of my uh you know, I'm I'm a fan girl when it comes to some of these people, but the evidence that is being produced, you can't completely deny that there's something going on. We may not know what it is or how it's occurring, but it's [01:56:00] definitely there. So I think a healthy amount of skepticism um combined with the willingness to be open to exploring these things in scientific ways that can then um give supporting evidence to them. So we can at least move in a direction of we can move beyond okay it's possibly occurring to it might be occurring to it's not occurring. Let's just move on and just [01:56:30] try to discover how or why or under what circumstances are these being made possible because there's enough there's enough there where we need to stop saying that it's not there. How valuable has it been for you as both an experiencer, an intuitive practitioner to have these abilities and and experiences as a researcher? How valuable has that [01:57:00] personal experience been to your work as a researcher? The having the experience was not as important for me as understanding that the similarities between the exper my experiences and others, but also the differences. When I talk to people who might be psychic or might be mediums or you know [01:57:30] remote viewers, their experiences are usually different than my own experiences. not experiences as in how it's reported, but in how it's felt, how there's this sense of it. So, I didn't even realize until maybe a few months ago that there are some mediums that when they are in communication with um [01:58:00] entities actually see them in different positions depending on if they were related or if they knew them or if they're strangers to them. And I myself my own personal experience when I am not familiar with a spirit when I don't when I'm not connected to them from this life whether I knew them or or just related to them when I know them or related to them I can see them in front of me or I sense [01:58:30] them in front of me but when I don't know them they're always off to my right just behind my shoulder. And I found out a few months ago that there were some others also have that positioning of these entities in relation to whether or not they knew them in this life or if they were related to them or if they were just complete strangers to them. So I think it's it's important to [01:59:00] understand that there are similarities and that helps me as a researcher. But then to understand that there are these dissimilarities makes me even question further. So, not just basing my questions um off of my own experiences, but then being open to listening to people who have these experiences to know then that there are multiple ways of having these sensations or experiencing these things in ways that [01:59:30] make me want to dig deeper or go further beyond questioning just what I would experience myself. So, it it really takes your focus from the narrow, okay, this is what an out-of- body experience feels like or this is what it's like to communicate as a medium to go beyond and say, okay, Deborah's experience, she's doing these things and having these experiences and her sensations are similar in some ways, but yet completely different. So maybe I need to start [02:00:00] asking more questions going in that direction or another direction or just completely rethinking your approach based on those dissimilarities as well as those similarities and experiences. >> Yeah, very well put. And don't you find it's also complicated because you know we might be looking at well how do people experience the world around them or how do they experience spirit communication or or telepathy or [02:00:30] precognition. But then that experience can change or be affected if they've gone through certain training or even over time. Like what people experience when they first start to open up or they first start to study is different than what they experience like 5 years later, 10 years or 30 years later. And so we're trying [02:01:00] to make all these conclusions about things and and the ways that people experience them, but one like you're saying, they're so varied between people, though we can find those patterns like you just described, the spatiality, but then then those things may change for each individual over time or by what they're exposed to. And do you sometimes find like that there hasn't been enough investigation into [02:01:30] what they've already been exposed to or what they're continuing to be? I guess this gets maybe back to the question of how do you isolate the different variables because like you know we want to do a pre-est of remote viewers to see if a program like Monroe's program makes a difference but can we really get people that had no remote viewing training and how do you define training [02:02:00] you know someone who practiced 10 targets by themselves They may say, "Oh, I never went through training, but they did do that practice." And that practice of 10 targets might make an enormous difference compared to someone who walks in the door and they don't even know what a target is. So, you know, how how do you study all of this then if there's so many factors and variables and [02:02:30] differences? Yeah, that's again goes back to that interdisiplinary um necessity to this work. It's yeah, how do you account for all these variables if you're only using one microscope to look through, you know, um there's many different ways of approaching one topic. Um and there's many different outcomes. He said, "Everyone's experience is going to be [02:03:00] different depending on, you know, have they been doing it since they were a toddler or have were they trained formally or were they, you know, maybe they watched a couple of YouTube videos and just connected the dots. Oh, I have been doing this since I was a kid and maybe I should start paying more attention." So I think asking these questions are very important in addition to studying the mechanicals of it as well if you can call it mechanicals or even the [02:03:30] physiological um output from these things. I think it it's it's all important for us to get a a clearer picture, at least start moving in a direction where um we're getting closer to an answer versus just closer to more questions at this point is what we are ending up with. Um >> yeah, I know personally for me it is more questions. >> So Nancy, why don't you tell us about [02:04:00] the two books that you're working on right now? The book that I'm working on right now, it's um it's the psychology of being told you're too much. Whether it's uh too loud, too quiet, too thin, too big. What it does to a person's psyche over time and how we actually limit ourselves based on how we try to uh shrink or conform to the expectation of others. [02:04:30] And then another book I'm working on is the transpersonal journey of finding the Monroe Institute. So many people come to me with these stories of whether it's serendipity or happen stance or synchronicity. And each of these stories is so fascinating and I I'm I want to get them all into a book