Researching Brain Coherence at the Monroe Institute with Nancy Walter -- IDrSwabjses

[01:19:30] random for a period of you know a length of time while the person is focusing their intention on the shielded box. Um, so we are seeing people that do have the ability to do this and it's not it's not random people like every once in a while. This is consistent through each program. We have we always have at least one to three people just in that evening that we're there [01:20:00] for a few hours that they are able to um influence what's inside that shielded box. >> Yeah. I recently interviewed a researcher Dan Graoy who is a I believe he's an engineer and he's been developing a testing tool for spoon bending where it attaches to a spoon and he could measure the changes and [01:20:30] >> yeah he's looking for other researchers and places to collaborate with so he and start collecting data on that. Maybe I can come up with you. >> There has been studies on um spoon bending and fork. I' I've seen like those brittle plastic forks. I've seen them bent in ways like curly cues on the tines on a fork that if you try to [01:21:00] manipulate it physically, it would just snap. But there are tests where they can um look at the metal and see if it was forced into a position or if it just natural not naturally but just occurred um on its on its own without force and they are seeing those differences. We have at um you've been on campus, you've seen the box uh hanging on the wall with bent spoons and bent forks and and then [01:21:30] we're we're both from the University of West Georgia where they have shoe boxes full of these things and uh yeah, some of them have been tested under metal metallergy I believe it's called some testing that they can detect that the metal was not forced into the position that it's in it's almost as if it was created to be in that position um even though it has physically changed from [01:22:00] its original form. It's pretty cool when you think about it. >> Yeah, it really is. I I've experienced it a few times where I had the fork or or the spoon bend and yeah, it got like all rubbery and you could just twist it all around and it only lasted for gosh maybe about 10 seconds at the most and then it just got hard again. But yeah, Dan said that he can measure it in real time thei and he's he's got prototypes [01:22:30] for a few different devices and then he's looking for groups to test it. So, um I'll I'll put him in touch with you just in case you might want to >> Yeah, we had a a participant um I think it was last year. She actually took a fire poker that we have on campus that's used for the one of the fireplaces there and it's a like a really thick rod and [01:23:00] she was able to bend it into a U. >> Oh my gosh. And then she was able to bend it back and she was just this little tiny thing, you know, no big muscles or anything on her and she was able to completely bend it into a U-shape and then bend it straight back again without breaking the tens tinsel strength of the metal itself. >> That's crazy. Yeah, I know. Those things are pretty thick, too. So, even to be able to bend it back and did it look as straight as it did before she bend [01:23:30] >> Yes. Yes. >> Wow. I think they have uh they have pictures um they're personal pictures so I can't share but yeah they have pictures of her posing with it. >> If you could do any project if money was no object what would that project be? I would say largecale group brain synchronization between strangers and between people who know each other to to see if during [01:24:00] not even during shared tasks but individual tasks just within proximity and see if there's a similarities in brain patterns or brain waves, you know, for whatever percentage of the time or dominance of a brain frequency. I think that would be awesome, but on a large scale right now, we can only do a few people at a time or [01:24:30] like in my lab, I can only do I can do up to four people at a time, but so far I'm only doing two at a time because I prefer to do it in pairs until I get more results. But I think on a massive scale just understanding the hive mind like the global consciousness project is able to show that we're able to influence these systems just to understand how they're there the possibility of these interconnections [01:25:00] would be awesome just to prove that yes they exist and then to explore why they exist. So using other methods, you know, I would say crossd disciplinary or interdisciplinary studies on that mass of a of a scale would be awesome. So if anyone's willing to pony up a few hundred million on the field, >> you won't turn it down. So with all that [01:25:30] money, is it that you'd be able to buy more equipment and have more people helping you out? Is that pretty much where the money would go to for that? >> Yeah, I would think the equipment and the facilities to do it on a mass a massive scale. Right now I we have the ability to um time synchronize up to four people but only using a few channels on an EEG. So um expanding that to include more [01:26:00] channels, more people on a broader scale would just be awesome. like there's the the University of California, Berkeley, and they have that underground bat cave and they're able to um look at the socialized the socialization of bats, you know, their brain wave and how they actually do synchronize and they do follow just one particular bat who's in [01:26:30] the lead. But then this is on a large scale. I think they have over,00 bats that are working together in this social situation and synchronizing their brain wave patterns. It's pretty awesome to think about. >> Yeah. Well, what would be the implications of this for people in everyday life? Like why is this research important for understanding human interactions and behavior? [01:27:00] speaks to the potential for us to work together to um affect positive change. It's often times uh when things are precarious in situations whether it's personal or political or in a larger scale like in in a war we can often feel very disconnected from others and like maybe we don't matter or we're not connecting with other people. So to be [01:27:30] able to show that we actually are working together even on levels when we don't think we would be or could be I think would inspire other people to just to know that they are actually part of something larger than themselves. I don't not for use in some evil way or anything but I think to bring us together as a a species or even [01:28:00] interspecies because you know I if you read uh Rupert Sheldrick's any of his work you understand the the relationship we also have with with pets and I think other groups of animals have that that as well. And could you see other types of animal studies that would also be exploring synchronization [01:28:30] or are you aware of any other studies? I am aware of um it's been done in mice and there are also human studies as well where there's a shared um goal or a shared task and even at a distance a global distance they're seeing the brain synchronization during shared tasks. So that's the stud similar to the study that I'm doing right now where I'm looking at uh it's it's a [01:29:00] non-communication task where the person is one person is told to just send energy healing to the other person and the other person is told just to simply be open to receiving that intention. Um, so that's I'm looking on it on that that scale, but I have seen it. Um, what I've read so far is in mice and bats and some limited human studies, but [01:29:30] definitely results in all three of those. So, if there's people that know of other studies, um, please send them my way. Well, this does seem so important across so many different disciplines. I found with intuitive development or or using your intuition like to read other people if you get in sync with someone else and you could do that through a variety of ways like you [01:30:00] can look for just imagine a color that they're vibrating at or match your crown chakra to that person's crown chakra or imagine you're grounding yourself and grounding the other person or seeing what if they had any grounding cord in your imagination, what color would it be? And then imagining you've got the same one. Doing exercises like that, even if you might just say it's in your imagination, it seems to get people in [01:30:30] sync with each other or like people breathing together. I know tantric practices or even in communication studies. I always found it fascinating when they would talk about how within a very short period of time people will start to mirror each other. So their blinking gets it starts to change their breathing patterns change even like their facial expressions and their voice tone will start to match each other. So [01:31:00] if all these external things can be happening, you think there's it would just make sense that their brains and internally everything is hooking up too, >> right? So I don't know if you know about the telepathy tapes podcast, uh Dr. NC PAL. She looks at autistic children, non-verbal autistic children who actually are psychically connected with their family members. And um it's it's [01:31:30] worth listening to just to understand how someone we could think has no communication skills whatsoever beyond just asking or demanding through non-verbal ways that you know they get fed or they get some you know attention paid to themselves that they're able to actually um know what their parents are thinking across distances. So, not even in the [01:32:00] same room. They're able to know what their parents are doing or thinking or looking at and then communicate in these on ways through uh typing um you know with the new devices that are out now like iPads and things. So, it's pretty awesome. You've always felt that just because we can't communicate with something on its ability to communicate. [01:32:30] For instance, you know, you you can't speak English to a dog and have them speak it back to you. I mean, they can understand us, but um very few of us actually will understand what the dog or the cat is saying back to us. So, I don't think that just because there's that barrier there doesn't mean that something's going on anyway. I think it very much is going on. Like you said, some people would say, well, it's mirror neurons why humans are emulating [01:33:00] themselves, why they're breathing is synced up or why their blinking is syncing up. But these also are occurring across distances where people don't have a visual connection with another person. They don't even have a voice connection or any communication whatsoever and they're still able to do these things. one of the studies that used humans with the shared task, they were doing it over the phone, so they didn't have, you [01:33:30] know, the visuals going on and but I don't know if they also were checking uh respiration or heart rate or anything of that nature, but that certainly would be interesting to know if they had this makes me think of empathic experiences. So, you know, you're standing next to somebody and suddenly feel so exhausted like you're going to just fall over and [01:34:00] then find out that that other person just had no sleep for the last 48 hours. Like, um I and many other people have had that experience or even I've had it where like I was waiting for a client to come on the phone. In one instance, I had just talked to the guy like an hour before and he's not showing up. And as soon as I started to ask like, "Oh, where is he?" I got this wave of