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that might take place in the next five to 10 minutes. So I'm constantly open to possibilities. I don't want
to shut the door and anything that that that might require change. Likewise, as a result of that, I can
give you an example. My first near death experience in 1970. When I was enveloped in the classic
sense enveloped by the white light, I was absolutely sure absolutely sure that I'd met God. Subsequent
to that I felt a second near death experience which occurred in 1985 with my with a major heart attack
and open heart surgery and that sort of thing. You And in that experience, I was allowed to see the
white light but not be enveloped by it, join with it, right in this particular experience. This created a huge
philosophic problem for me and that the light was, I could see the light was definitive, it had edges, or it
had space that it occupied in my definition of what God is what I call the Great, the great engineer.
That's not a finite being, there can't be edges. So it created a problem for me. And I went back over all
of my experience in the first case in 1970. And realize that the reason I called the white light God was
simply because the feelings that I was getting were feelings that I had never had before. And they were
they all loving, all consuming, all knowing. complete, total comfort, very positing at home. Yeah, the
extremes of all the positive things you could say, since I'd never experienced that before, obviously had
to be God. And because of the degree in which I was experiencing it, I think that was an appropriate
assumption. In retrospect, I would say now that what the light the white light might be, is might be what
we, in fact, are, when we're not physical, we may in fact, be light beings that are all all loving, totally
complete, in other words, far more complete than we are in the physical sense.
Mark Certo 56:39
So you sense it is kind of a mirror of yourself, exactly as you truly are.
Joe McMoneagle 56:44
I think that that it may be representative of that what I call the totality of self, what we are when we're
not physical. If that, in fact, is even partially true, then it creates two very heavily impacting philosophic
things. One, one then means one of the problems then becomes when I look in the mirror, and I see the
physical reflection of self, and I know that that's not what I fully am capable of, then I feel like I've been
shirking a lot of responsibility. And it also speaks to the real power that I have and can exercise. And I
want to be very careful how that's exercised, more so than before the experience. Secondly, it speaks
to what our view of the grand engineer the the great creator, or God is. It's been a very limiting view, in
my opinion, I don't think that we, as physical beings will probably ever know what the, what this this
thing called God is. And to presume that we could, I think, is this really, Travis, a travesty. It also points
to the fact that given those two realities than religion, as I see it, or the spirituality of man, is, is probably
more amply displayed in the living of it, instead of the worship of it,
Mark Certo 58:25
which is what happened to you. I mean, you've obviously changed philosophically, you mentioned,
morality and integrity is being two things that are playing high importance,
Joe McMoneagle 58:36
exactly in it's two things that I would consider to be positive aspects of life. I no longer look at things in
reality as being good or bad, or are evil or that sort of thing. I look more in terms of constructive versus
destructive or in positive versus negative. And in that regard, I find that most of our conceptualizations
of good and evil are probably more centered around the particular social political place in which you live
in time period in which you live. So good and evil changes based on your politics or your religion, or
what time period you have been born in, or what's going on socially. Where positive or constructive
action can be taken, regardless of the good and evil aspects. And so, I would much prefer to look at
things that way. And then given the freewill choice of investing energy, I can then invest my energy
totally in the positive or the constructive.
Mark Certo 59:46
So what are you doing with your talents now?
Joe McMoneagle 59:49
I have a company called intuitive intelligence applications. And I'm doing a lot of private work
consultancy with individuals and companies. I'm also a research associate with the cognitive sciences
lab, the original lab that started the whole thing in Sri. And we're, we're doing some work for some of
these overseas labs, and continuing to pursue the mechanisms behind remote viewing, and learning
how to make it more effective.
Mark Certo 1:00:23
It's great. Name of the book is mind trek. It's a fascinating adventure of science in the realm of the
paranormal, the author is Joseph mcmoneagle. And, Joe, I really want to thank you for being here with
us. So your book is fascinating, your stories fascinating, and I look forward to maybe having you back
on the program again. And there you have it the end of season one of the expanding unconsciousness
podcast I hope you found the conversation informative, interesting, and perhaps even enlightening. I
know I have had a great time thus far and it only gets better from here. After a short break. We'll be
returning with Season Two on Tuesday, October the 11th, where we will go even deeper down the
rabbit hole of consciousness and reality. I will continue my conversation with Tom Campbell. You'll also
be hearing from author physicist and inventor of the microprocessor Federico fuzz gene, who is also
one of the fathers of AI. You'll also be hearing from Dr. Monica Galliano who is discovered something
quite amazing regarding the consciousness of plant life. If we do our job well here, you'll never look at
life the same way again. I want to thank my hard working producers Robert Noosaville, and Jenny
Weatherby for their tireless work and enthusiasm. I also want to thank Alan Evans, Executive Director
at the Monroe Institute who graciously put the wheels in motion for this podcast, I have to thank our
guests, both the giants who created the foundation upon which we all stand, and those who continue
the great work. And of course, I need to thank you the listener, thank you for your curiosity, and your
willingness to expand your consciousness. I'm off on a vacation I'm looking forward to continuing with
Season Two. Until we meet again please stay curious and May peace guide your days fo and
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